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again this is a stupid thing to say

the word for greatest is not the same for strongest

so logically they don't have same meaning unless there was 1 word for the term

Kid Zoro dream is to be the greatest swordsman of all times
Zoro current dream is to beat current world SS

one make him best in swordsmanship
one make him over all stronger than a single person , Mihawk
 
Dude, he's having more knowledge of the language than all of us combined.
He's not telling us that Mihawk>Shanks. He's just confirming that there's no difference between "Greatest/Strongest" in Japanese whatsoever
this is not about Shanks ... this is about Roger ...

I acknowledge his words ... but he is not even making a "statement"

he is GUESSING what Oda could meant

milking his words to Zoro > Roger if official ... is just a sad show
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Then i suppose you've only read the official Japanese version right? because all english versions are translations.
we trust their words as long as they are translating Oda

their PERSONAL GUESS is meaningless in terms of canon
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Dude, he's having more knowledge of the language than all of us combined.
He's not telling us that Mihawk>Shanks. He's just confirming that there's no difference between "Greatest/Strongest" in Japanese whatsoever
I acknowledge his words ... but he
The translator’s words have no value about a translation?
:nicagesmile::kaidowhat:
I guess I need a translator as well cause you can't understand most simple thing

he is talking about "his guess" ... that's it ...
 
this is not about Shanks ... this is about Roger ...

I acknowledge his words ... but he is not even making a "statement"

he is GUESSING what Oda could meant

milking his words to Zoro > Roger if official ... is just a sad show
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we trust their words as long as they are translating Oda

their PERSONAL GUESS is meaningless in terms of canon
And let me GUESS ....

You are not guessing what Oda meant?

You know what Oda said, right?...

Oda never mentions the word skill with Mihawk but the "fans " do...

If Oda never mentioned "skill" then why are still in this agenda? You have no base whatsoever.

Debate about greatest or strongest which is what we have.
 
Aohige also think the same


@Den_Den_Mushi 's translation of Zeff's words also complement that thought

yes

Mihawk is best swordsman and greatest of them alive for sure ...

but we are not talking about that here


Zoro dream about being greatest swordsman ... don't make him stronger than Roger ....

swordsmanship is ONE TERM of power

and as ODA HIMSELF (also basic logic) said "being better in one term of power don't guaranty you winning a fight"
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He is not talking about his guess, he is explaining why in the context of Mihawk’s title « greatest » and « strongest » mean the same thing.
There is no guess there.



I DON'T THINK ODA SEE .....

it's his personal take ...
 
yes

Mihawk is best swordsman and greatest of them alive for sure ...

but we are not talking about that here


Zoro dream about being greatest swordsman ... don't make him stronger than Zoro ....

swordsmanship is ONE TERM of power

and as ODA HIMSELF (also basic logic) said "being better in one term of power don't guaranty you winning a fight"
That's why is not skill only .....adv CoA , adv CoO,eyc ,etc is involved.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
yes

Mihawk is best swordsman and greatest of them alive for sure ...

but we are not talking about that here


Zoro dream about being greatest swordsman ... don't make him stronger than Zoro ....

swordsmanship is ONE TERM of power

and as ODA HIMSELF (also basic logic) said "being better in one term of power don't guaranty you winning a fight"
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I DON'T THINK ODA SEE .....

it's his personal take ...
Haki is part of swordsmanship.
So apart from haki and a sword. What did roger have ?
 
this is not about Shanks ... this is about Roger ...

I acknowledge his words ... but he is not even making a "statement"

he is GUESSING what Oda could meant

milking his words to Zoro > Roger if official ... is just a sad show
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we trust their words as long as they are translating Oda

their PERSONAL GUESS is meaningless in terms of canon
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I acknowledge his words ... but he


I guess I need a translator as well cause you can't understand most simple thing

he is talking about "his guess" ... that's it ...
 
Haki is part of swordsmanship.
So apart from haki and a sword. What did roger have ?
it's like saying "Haki is a part of DF cause Gear 4 is DF and Haki at same time"

Haki is a thing of it's own

only cause it can make swordsmanship stronger it don't make it "part of swordsmanship"

p.s

not to mention Haki is "3 different power at same times"
 
it's like saying "Haki is a part of DF cause Gear 4 is DF and Haki at same time"

Haki is a thing of it's own

only cause it can make swordsmanship stronger it don't make it "part of swordsmanship"
It does.

Hyo in Wano already told us how closely linked CoA and swordmanship is linked.

To cut all and not cut everything ,CoA is the prime requirement and to be regarded as the strongest your coa must be way way advance.
 
And let me GUESS ....

You are not guessing what Oda meant?

You know what Oda said, right?...

Oda never mentions the word skill with Mihawk but the "fans " do...

If Oda never mentioned "skill" then why are still in this agenda? You have no base whatsoever.

Debate about greatest or strongest which is what we have.
that's why I ignored you ... cause your brain can't function well

as long as Oda words is not clear ... we have "debates"
when it is ... we have facts

the problem is when people try to show unclear things as facts

and btw

swordsmanship being a power of it's own is a clear statement and in fact the most believed one in the fandom as a whole

so don't try to show it as a unlikely claim ...
 

Bogard

You can't win
yes

Mihawk is best swordsman and greatest of them alive for sure ...

but we are not talking about that here


Zoro dream about being greatest swordsman ... don't make him stronger than Roger ....

swordsmanship is ONE TERM of power

and as ODA HIMSELF (also basic logic) said "being better in one term of power don't guaranty you winning a fight"
Not sure what you're talking about, so i'd just show the raw text difference between Mihawk and Whitebeard's title

世界最強の剣士 Sekai Saikyō no Kenshi, and as you can clearly see in Raw below when is introduced they are all there.

世界最強の男 Sekai Saikyō no Otoko
Here is the raw of the panel when Whitebeard was introduced.

Notice the 世界最強 which are in WB's title are also in the Mihawk raw when he was introduced. The only difference is between Otoko(man) and Kenshi(swordsman) so WB is "Worlds Strongest Man", not "Worlds Greatest Man"
 
It does.

Hyo in Wano already told us how closely linked CoA and swordmanship is linked.

To cut all and not cut everything ,CoA is the prime requirement and to be regarded as the strongest your coa must be way way advance.
Hyo is a man who don't even know what Haki is
Ashura Doji too calle "CoC" a "JUTSU"

people of Wano have no real understanding of Haki ... they just learned it as a sword technique

that's why people of Wano don't use CoO (did any one used it? can't remember) or CoC

they just don't know what the fuck are those
 
that's why I ignored you ... cause your brain can't function well

as long as Oda words is not clear ... we have "debates"
when it is ... we have facts

the problem is when people try to show unclear things as facts

and btw

swordsmanship being a power of it's own is a clear statement and in fact the most believed one in the fandom as a whole

so don't try to show it as a unlikely claim ...
Clear canon things in manga are 3 world titles yet you debate and diminish one to favor your fave.

So check yourself up ....the one with issue is your brain.
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Hyo is a man who don't even know what Haki is
Ashura Doji too calle "CoC" a "JUTSU"

people of Wano have no real understand of Haki ... they just learned it as a sword technique
Haki = Ryuu= Mantra.

"Hyo doesn't know what Haki is yet he teach Luffy advance Haki"

:smart:

Theres no issue with learning Haki through their swords.
( Hyo can use it without one....)
Is there a path to disregard the way other learn Haki?
 
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