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Ratchet

The End and the Beginning
Nah you're suspect of me cause I didnt really trust you
Nope, that's not the basis of my suspicion at all. I noticed you frequently discredit town reads on players all game long, in fact I outlined it all in my ISO post. In terms of players distrusting me, well I'd say there are about 20 of them in this game, 19 if you take Kagura aside. I even summarised what was particularly notable, that being your lack of interactions with the players you were against the reads of, which led to me concluding it was the existence of the reads you wanted to dismiss.
Honestly I know how you play, I've seen you make this play as scum and you know it, hence why I mocked you cause you've done that to me before with this kinda play, so yeah, even if I was town I'd still have doubted you regardless.
At this point there are very few things I do as Town that I couldn't at least replicate as scum.
You also backstabbed me in a AG with this kinda play so like why believe your word or others? You gotta admit you've done it before and I have every right to doubt you. So don't play the slim or whatever card. I was going off facts on the table, not people going "believe us, kagura's town"
Yes but a lot of this is reserved for tinfoil, not the first thing that comes to your mind. And it's not just me, it's Ekko and me both. At the very least that is enough to take Kagura away from the lynch pool today.
 

EkkoLoJinx

How far I'll go...
It's ok to have you doubts I guess but your argument is not logical because if I was scum buddies with him, I wouldn't do that in the thread when I can just walk him through a claim in a scum chat.

Worst case scenario is if he isn't telling the truth, is that he seen me say that and jumped on what I said.

I would never ever do that in the game thread if I was scum, hopefully no one would.

I have been trying to respond to this but I'm in raid so it's took forever to just write this lol.
i mean sure, i have absolutely no regards for a claimed indie that is not willing to help town so i dont see the problem of yeeting him into the sun here via lynch or a jailor executing him

vig might not work
 
Nope, that's not the basis of my suspicion at all. I noticed you frequently discredit town reads on players all game long, in fact I outlined it all in my ISO post. In terms of players distrusting me, well I'd say there are about 20 of them in this game, 19 if you take Kagura aside. I even summarised what was particularly notable, that being your lack of interactions with the players you were against the reads of, which led to me concluding it was the existence of the reads you wanted to dismiss.
At this point there are very few things I do as Town that I couldn't at least replicate as scum.
Yes but a lot of this is reserved for tinfoil, not the first thing that comes to your mind. And it's not just me, it's Ekko and me both. At the very least that is enough to take Kagura away from the lynch pool today.
You were suspecting me based on my views of Kagura, that was what started it, dont go on the iso which you didn't do till after that so yeah, cause I didn't believe the kagura shit from you and ekko was the start of why you didn't, and everything I reacted on was based on things posted in the thread, with results, which you ignored in your ISO.

Again, the facts given, before Kagura posted was that Enyru redirected Kagura to Tpein, Tpein died, that should be checked and talked about not waved away with a "believe us" mentality. Regardless of who it is, you know thats true. Tinfoil or not, its how you have played before so its something to be wary of.
 
Okay @Zemmi I hope I am wrong but I could not just let this pass without addressing it.
I had a strong town read of you but please tell me is this not super convenient? Read it all please.

Everyone else I really ask you to read this thoroughly and give me your thoughts. it will be a long post against a strongly town read player so pls read it carefully. I do not intend to cause paranoia with it but I could not let this slip by without mentioning it properly.

Players -
1. @Ekkologix
2. @Flower
3. @Ratchet
4. @Fujishiro
5. @krogothwolf
6. @T-Pein™
7. @Sallucion
8. @Alibaba
9. @playa4321
10. @Enryu
11. @Midnight Delight
12. @Ryu Kishi
13. @Yo Tan Wa
14. @Kawaii
15. @Zemmi
16. @Kagura
17. @ConquistadoR
18. @ZoroSlaysDragonTuna
19. @Ultra
20. @RippedCal
21. @Zolo


I have been asking Alibaba to claim since day 1, and I do it again here for like the 6th time. I asked him to claim a role or actions or anything, but he kept refusing and ignoring me all together. For an entire day and half. Like he was really set on not claiming, and lots of players were not helping me push him or consider him, including Zemmi.


Now few mins later here is the first time where you actually follow me on this Alibaba push. You never did help me consider him before. You were always ignoring him, and luckily I was paying extra attention to those ignoring him, and sadly you were on the top of the list...

But here... not only you follow me, but heck you even tagged him and honestly dropped such a generic fake post telling him to "claim or die" kind of joke-y approach. It Doesn't really give me the vibe that you are interested in his claim at all. It's like you already know it. And your reaction after he claimed tells me you are not surprised by it (I will get to that later), but I want to emphasis greatly on how you never bothered with him before, but now you suddenly act so interested to see his claim or he dies? weird.. let's continue..


Now this is the convenient part. Right after that post of yours and without any prior reason, just randomly before Alibaba even claims... here you set up the stage for him to enter with his short, meh, and incomplete neutral indie claim, that you guys of course discussed previously in your scum chat. And of course he leaves without even giving night targets. Could this just be a coincidence? yeah. Is it too convenient? absolutely. But what makes it even more scummy is that you strictly mentioned neutral indies. I would expect a more open minded town Zemmi to also mention good indies as well. It's like you knew for sure Alibaba was going to claim a neutral indie specifically so you wanted to make it easier for him to enter the thread.

But I am not done yet Zemmi..


Now look here I replied to your previous post that I think the game is all indies and that these 2 (Ratchet and Ali) give me strong indie vibes, and you seemed to very well like that idea and agree with it, however look at your reply:


In your reply to me u mentioned that you think we have a few (neutral?) indies, implying that you know there isn't many of them (maybe 1 or 2?) in the game. Meaning you are internally/subconsciously aware of the existence of a mafia/cult team going on around that you are of course a part of, which could result in the low number of indies reflected subconsciously in your thought process here. Of course this is only something you would know if you have some TMI. In this case if you are a part of a mafia/cult team you should be able to estimate that number of indies is low, and that the game is not full of indies as I mentioned, so you are able to correct my post confidently. Now lets move on to Alibaba..


Here literally within 6 minutes of our initial exchange and you tagging Alibaba, he comes to the thread and EASILY claims with NO resistance whatsoever. Not after all attempts of mine to get him to do so for 1 and half days, not after all attempts anyone else did try to make him claim; but instead he claims exactly after you tagged him out to do it for the FIRST time, and with NO resistance. I could not have not suspected this. Please try to understand where I am coming from. I think this claim is outright just fake and super convenient and both of you staged this in a mafia/cult chat. Not to mention this neutral indie DOES scan guilty HOWVER is the most town-lean indie from the neutral indies so town would be reluctant to lynch him. This would be a perfect claim to keep Alibaba alive even if he scans guilty, and I am not even done Zem. Look at the rest:


Here you continue setting up the stage for him by asking for his night targets and mentioning "You can't kill right?", just to give us uninformed townies the feeling of safety that this indie is not dangerous and we should keep him alive with no issues. Of course this is the most town-lean neutral indie after all so why should we lynch him? And to even make it even more convenient you sealed the deal with this post and moved on:


This here Zemmi was the point where I was like hold on, she did not just set him up perfectly AND tell us not to kill or lynch him did she? This was the final red flag I can give. From you suddenly following my Alibaba push, to making him claim a neutral indie easily, and finally to stopping us from killing him? I could not have let this go by. Sorry Zem, I can't help but scum read you after that one.

And to add more to the tinfoil:


Here literally within few minutes of that whole Alibaba thingy, finally comes Ratchet to rub in more salt on my wound, and to distract us more from the Alibaba lynch by voting a player that I find very tasty and would definitely love to jump in and help Ratchet on. He seems to be taking a damn good opportunity here to distract me from the Alibaba push without even commenting on it himself. Like man knows what I want and is definitely firing it up for me, but I am not gna be baited by this nonsense. Fuk you Ratchyy

I DO NOT BUY ANY OF THIS NONENSE!!!

ZEM - RATCHET - ALIBABA

I cannot believe you are doing this to me, I really hope I am wrong :((




Thanks for joining my wagon breh. Zemmi is obviously scum lmfao
 

EkkoLoJinx

How far I'll go...
Man you've seen Scum!Ratchet in a standard game once and now you'll never trust me again ;-;

I gave some thoughts on Ali above. I don't think he's a threat.
i was working with u until the zem/ali thing
u seemed towny other wise
but ofc im no fool to blind trust u
the fk u expect
 

Ratchet

The End and the Beginning
You were suspecting me based on my views of Kagura, that was what started it, dont go on the iso which you didn't do till after that so yeah, cause I didn't believe the kagura shit from you and ekko was the start of why you didn't, and everything I reacted on was based on things posted in the thread, with results, which you ignored in your ISO.

Again, the facts given, before Kagura posted was that Enyru redirected Kagura to Tpein, Tpein died, that should be checked and talked about not waved away with a "believe us" mentality. Regardless of who it is, you know thats true. Tinfoil or not, its how you have played before so its something to be wary of.
I suspected you Day 1. As I was catching up, I noted your behaviour in the game, which is why I said I was going to case it. Alongside that catching up I was talking about vouching for Kagura which you again latched onto to discredit. Like if you want to convince yourself it was because you didn't immediately trust me, be my guest, but if that were the case I guess I've got a lot more of those ISO's to make for other players then. Not trusting me is fine, I take it as a compliment to my scum game actually.
 

EkkoLoJinx

How far I'll go...
Loooooove how you ignore certain aspects, just love it. Classic Ratchet.

Info displayed in thread to go off of, so go with that, a point I made
Ekko/Ratchet put out no real info but expect us to believe them on Kagura.

Good stuff.
no i dont expect you to outright belive her, but i expect you ATLEAST let her go for today because shes being vouched by enough players to create a vouch, unless you think both of us are suiciding here to save her?

ive told u her claim adds up, its upto whether u town read us or not to believe it, and honestly there are many ways tpein could of died that are not related to kagura

i do not like how stubborn you are in this angle at all

its fine to suspect her yes, but then you would have to suspect us too
 
I suspected you Day 1. As I was catching up, I noted your behaviour in the game, which is why I said I was going to case it. Alongside that catching up I was talking about vouching for Kagura which you again latched onto to discredit. Like if you want to convince yourself it was because you didn't immediately trust me, be my guest, but if that were the case I guess I've got a lot more of those ISO's to make for other players then. Not trusting me is fine, I take it as a compliment to my scum game actually.
You and ekko were acting like if we didn't believe your word it makes us scummy and bad, which is a shit mentality and you know it. There's a lot of plays that could be made with that and shit that can go on, ignoring it because of what you said without anything behind it shouldn't be hand waved away without getting more information, that's the problem. You can go about about iso' and everything but even you have to admit there's a lot of weird plays that can be made. You were ignoring and not addressing certain facts that were available in the thread and just focusing on what you knew but not what others had available.
 
no i dont expect you to outright belive her, but i expect you ATLEAST let her go for today because shes being vouched by enough players to create a vouch, unless you think both of us are suiciding here to save her?

ive told u her claim adds up, its upto whether u town read us or not to believe it, and honestly there are many ways tpein could of died that are not related to kagura

i do not like how stubborn you are in this angle at all

its fine to suspect her yes, but then you would have to suspect us too
Lol, we wanted more info on the enyru claiming to redirect Kagura to tpein and tpein dying, kinda important flow of data going on at that time that was being hand waved away.
 
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