IMPORTANT: I WILL NOT COUNT VOTES FROM THOSE WHO DO NOT VOTE FOR EACH FIGHT. ALSO IF I SEE OR NOTICE SOME SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITY THAT ENTRY WILL BE DISQUALIFIED.
In this round in this thread we will have 4 characters, which means 2 fights.
FIRST FIGHT
William James Moriarty from Moriarty the Patriot
VS
Alucard
”The Bird of Hermes is my name… eating my wings to make me tame.”
-Alucard
Alucard is dubbed as the most powerful vampire alive. He is the main protagonist of the Hellsing series, does not have any misgivings about killing humans and fiends alike.
He is the main fighting force of the Hellsing company and is a true monster. He kills his enemies with raging ferocity and cruelty. The only thing that makes Alucard seem less evil is that most of his victims are even worse than him. As most of his victims are Nazis and beings that are enemies of humanity, Alucard does seem more like a real hero and cares deeply for his charge Seras Victoria.
SECOND FIGHT
Musashi from Vagabond
VS
The Punisher
In this round in this thread we will have 4 characters, which means 2 fights.
FIRST FIGHT
William James Moriarty from Moriarty the Patriot
If there’s any franchise that’s been told and retold through a variety of media it’s Sherlock Holmes, so it’s no surprise to see an anime take of the iconic detective (nor is it the first time). However, Moriarty the Patriot tells the story from the POV of Sherlock’s most noteworthy adversary and kiiiiinda gets you on his side, like, immediately.
Fans of mysteries will likely be familiar with at least the most famous of Doyle’s Holmes stories, perhaps through Hollywood or BBC interpretations, if not through the stories themselves. Though originally a rather minor character, Professor Moriarty has come to serve as Holmes’s arch nemesis in modern tellings. He is a cold, brilliant, and calculating villain, the “Napoleon of crime” who keeps the hero on his toes at all times. Because Moriarty’s background is inconsistent in the Doyle stories, it is easy to reinvent him, as Ryosuke Takeuchi and Hikaru Miyoshi do in Moriarty the Patriot. In the manga, the boy who would become Professor Moriarty and his younger brother, Louis, are poor orphans who have been adopted into the Moriarty family as a show of noblesse oblige. Our protagonist jaunts around town under the guise of William James Moriarty, the Moriarty family’s younger son who has no interest in the people of their town. Together with the eldest son Albert, the future Professor and Louis conspire to kill the cruel Moriarty family in an “accidental” fire, leaving the three boys to rectify the wrongs of the English noble classes as nobles themselves.
The premise
The 19th century British Empire is an entire mess, rife with problematic aristocrats who delight in tormenting the lower class. The class system is set to work against the average citizen and the Moriarty brothers, who are part of an aristocratic family themselves, have decided to tear the unjust structure apart.
William James Moriarty (the middle brother/main protagonist) works as a professor by day but also works as a “crime consultant” who takes cases from those who have been wronged by the upper class. He and his brothers (Albert and Louis) work as a team, but their actions soon catch the attention of Sherlock Holmes, setting the stage for the ultimate battle of wits.
And there we have our twist: The Professor Moriarty who is so evil in most Sherlock Holmes adaptations is, in this manga, attempting to equalize society. He is a class traitor in both senses; growing up poor, he has risen to the nobility, but as a noble he consults on the behalf of the working classes, holding his wealthy peers accountable for their exploitation of, and distaste for, anyone they deem below them. But he is not completely sanitized as a misunderstood villain. No, Professor Moriarty is still as calculating as ever, his meticulous methods still relying heavily on manipulation, coercion, and threats. His motives might be pure, but his means still leave the ordinary person shuddering at their cruelty.
How Moriarty’s cases work
The basic formula goes a little something like this: one of the Moriarty brothers (usually Willaim) hears about a crime (usually murder). The crimes Moriarty takes on always involve the lower class, those who don’t have the means to seek justice. Though, honestly, even if they could their cries would go unheard because the culprits are always upper-class citizens who are either never suspected or who get away with it because they’re rich.
This ranges from “bored rich asshole kills children on his off day” to “gardener pleads with his boss to let him consult his doctor because his son is dying, but his boss is a rich asshole who’s worried that his gardener’s kid is gonna give him poor person cooties.”
Did I mention that the boss is rich because of his gardener’s hard work?
Once Willaim (with the help of his brothers) gets all the pieces together, he gets a hold of the wronged party and offers his services, making sure to point out how this, technically, would be seen as a crime even if they were the ones who were wronged! William doesn’t do the job unless if the grieving family wants him to, so basically, he asks for consent to rid the world of this particular brand of filth. If they agree then a plan is put into motion where the grieving party is able to come face to face with the aristocrat who killed their loved one.
Now here’s the kicker.
William isn’t the one who kills the target, the grieving family does. This can be as subtle as serving food that someone reacts poorly to, or as blunt as stabbing someone to death. Whatever the case, William makes sure all the evidence is cleaned up, and the family is able to get away with it.
Miyoshi’s artwork gives Moriarty a bishonen air, making his complexity all the more alluring to the manga fan who is accustomed to the dramatically layered characters of the medium. Indeed, the cast is made up of several handsome men working with Moriarty to realize his utopian dream. The Victorian setting is well established, both visually and as part of the plot, depicting an England on the verge of change and progress.
The Lord of the Crime, Moriarty
Upon becoming the Lord of the Crime, a stage in his plan, he has already designated a man who shall stop him and be the shinning light of the world. That man is none other than Sherlock Holmes
Moriarty has made himself into the ultimate evil, thus forcing people to ally against him, and stay united, and thus fulfilling his coveted dream.
Fans of mysteries will likely be familiar with at least the most famous of Doyle’s Holmes stories, perhaps through Hollywood or BBC interpretations, if not through the stories themselves. Though originally a rather minor character, Professor Moriarty has come to serve as Holmes’s arch nemesis in modern tellings. He is a cold, brilliant, and calculating villain, the “Napoleon of crime” who keeps the hero on his toes at all times. Because Moriarty’s background is inconsistent in the Doyle stories, it is easy to reinvent him, as Ryosuke Takeuchi and Hikaru Miyoshi do in Moriarty the Patriot. In the manga, the boy who would become Professor Moriarty and his younger brother, Louis, are poor orphans who have been adopted into the Moriarty family as a show of noblesse oblige. Our protagonist jaunts around town under the guise of William James Moriarty, the Moriarty family’s younger son who has no interest in the people of their town. Together with the eldest son Albert, the future Professor and Louis conspire to kill the cruel Moriarty family in an “accidental” fire, leaving the three boys to rectify the wrongs of the English noble classes as nobles themselves.
The premise
The 19th century British Empire is an entire mess, rife with problematic aristocrats who delight in tormenting the lower class. The class system is set to work against the average citizen and the Moriarty brothers, who are part of an aristocratic family themselves, have decided to tear the unjust structure apart.
William James Moriarty (the middle brother/main protagonist) works as a professor by day but also works as a “crime consultant” who takes cases from those who have been wronged by the upper class. He and his brothers (Albert and Louis) work as a team, but their actions soon catch the attention of Sherlock Holmes, setting the stage for the ultimate battle of wits.
And there we have our twist: The Professor Moriarty who is so evil in most Sherlock Holmes adaptations is, in this manga, attempting to equalize society. He is a class traitor in both senses; growing up poor, he has risen to the nobility, but as a noble he consults on the behalf of the working classes, holding his wealthy peers accountable for their exploitation of, and distaste for, anyone they deem below them. But he is not completely sanitized as a misunderstood villain. No, Professor Moriarty is still as calculating as ever, his meticulous methods still relying heavily on manipulation, coercion, and threats. His motives might be pure, but his means still leave the ordinary person shuddering at their cruelty.
How Moriarty’s cases work
The basic formula goes a little something like this: one of the Moriarty brothers (usually Willaim) hears about a crime (usually murder). The crimes Moriarty takes on always involve the lower class, those who don’t have the means to seek justice. Though, honestly, even if they could their cries would go unheard because the culprits are always upper-class citizens who are either never suspected or who get away with it because they’re rich.
This ranges from “bored rich asshole kills children on his off day” to “gardener pleads with his boss to let him consult his doctor because his son is dying, but his boss is a rich asshole who’s worried that his gardener’s kid is gonna give him poor person cooties.”
Did I mention that the boss is rich because of his gardener’s hard work?
Once Willaim (with the help of his brothers) gets all the pieces together, he gets a hold of the wronged party and offers his services, making sure to point out how this, technically, would be seen as a crime even if they were the ones who were wronged! William doesn’t do the job unless if the grieving family wants him to, so basically, he asks for consent to rid the world of this particular brand of filth. If they agree then a plan is put into motion where the grieving party is able to come face to face with the aristocrat who killed their loved one.
Now here’s the kicker.
William isn’t the one who kills the target, the grieving family does. This can be as subtle as serving food that someone reacts poorly to, or as blunt as stabbing someone to death. Whatever the case, William makes sure all the evidence is cleaned up, and the family is able to get away with it.
Miyoshi’s artwork gives Moriarty a bishonen air, making his complexity all the more alluring to the manga fan who is accustomed to the dramatically layered characters of the medium. Indeed, the cast is made up of several handsome men working with Moriarty to realize his utopian dream. The Victorian setting is well established, both visually and as part of the plot, depicting an England on the verge of change and progress.
The Lord of the Crime, Moriarty
Upon becoming the Lord of the Crime, a stage in his plan, he has already designated a man who shall stop him and be the shinning light of the world. That man is none other than Sherlock Holmes
Moriarty has made himself into the ultimate evil, thus forcing people to ally against him, and stay united, and thus fulfilling his coveted dream.
VS
Alucard
”The Bird of Hermes is my name… eating my wings to make me tame.”
-Alucard
Alucard is dubbed as the most powerful vampire alive. He is the main protagonist of the Hellsing series, does not have any misgivings about killing humans and fiends alike.
He is the main fighting force of the Hellsing company and is a true monster. He kills his enemies with raging ferocity and cruelty. The only thing that makes Alucard seem less evil is that most of his victims are even worse than him. As most of his victims are Nazis and beings that are enemies of humanity, Alucard does seem more like a real hero and cares deeply for his charge Seras Victoria.
SECOND FIGHT
Musashi from Vagabond
Musashi starts out as a violent and aggressive teen whose only goal in life it is to become the strongest and defeat every fighter he comes across. He is cocky, arrogant, cruel and has no respect for life, neither the life of his opponents nor his own. Musashi is the opposite of your typical ‚hero‘.
What awaits the reader over the course of the series, on the other hand, is an amazing character development. Choosing the path of a wandering swordsman, firstly he sets out to challenge strong opponents but his character arc consists of much more than just this. More so, Vagabond is the story of Musashi’s life as a whole and his development as a human being.
What makes Musashi such an amazing anti-hero is that he, despite being a violent savage, has the will to improve both in combat and mentally/spiritually. Unlike other characters in the series, Musashi is shown to seek for a deeper meaning to life and an answer to the true meaning of ‘strength’. He struggles, he suffers, he fails and time and again he has to come to terms with his insecurities and face his weaknesses.
Killing people in duels might be legal in his time period. But the many battles he fights make him realize that killing an opponent is not as simple as he had thought it is. Musashi grows to understand that taking a life is a horrendous act in itself. That every person he kills is a human being with dreams, friends, family. Eventually the act of killing makes him feel sick, he grows weary of his violent everyday lifestyle as a Ronin. Musashi’s quest for the meaning of life eventually cumulates in the farming arc where he learns that he must ‘fight’ for making a living instead of fighting with the sword. Musashi turns from a loner into a person who can cooperate with and support other people.
All in all, Musashi’s character arc is a quest for the meaning of life. Neither is he a ‘good guy’ nor a saviour or protector to the weak. He goes from an overly violent and essentially suicidal young man to an adult who can love and care for others, accept his own emotions and understands that life has value, even his own.
What awaits the reader over the course of the series, on the other hand, is an amazing character development. Choosing the path of a wandering swordsman, firstly he sets out to challenge strong opponents but his character arc consists of much more than just this. More so, Vagabond is the story of Musashi’s life as a whole and his development as a human being.
What makes Musashi such an amazing anti-hero is that he, despite being a violent savage, has the will to improve both in combat and mentally/spiritually. Unlike other characters in the series, Musashi is shown to seek for a deeper meaning to life and an answer to the true meaning of ‘strength’. He struggles, he suffers, he fails and time and again he has to come to terms with his insecurities and face his weaknesses.
Killing people in duels might be legal in his time period. But the many battles he fights make him realize that killing an opponent is not as simple as he had thought it is. Musashi grows to understand that taking a life is a horrendous act in itself. That every person he kills is a human being with dreams, friends, family. Eventually the act of killing makes him feel sick, he grows weary of his violent everyday lifestyle as a Ronin. Musashi’s quest for the meaning of life eventually cumulates in the farming arc where he learns that he must ‘fight’ for making a living instead of fighting with the sword. Musashi turns from a loner into a person who can cooperate with and support other people.
All in all, Musashi’s character arc is a quest for the meaning of life. Neither is he a ‘good guy’ nor a saviour or protector to the weak. He goes from an overly violent and essentially suicidal young man to an adult who can love and care for others, accept his own emotions and understands that life has value, even his own.
VS
The Punisher
Summary:
Driven by the deaths of his wife and two children, who were killed in the mob for witnessing a killing in New York City’s Central Park, the Punisher wages a one-man war on crime using various weapons. His methods include murder, kidnapping, extortion, coercion, threats of violence, and torture in his campaign against crime.
Driven by the deaths of his wife and two children, who were killed in the mob for witnessing a killing in New York City’s Central Park, the Punisher wages a one-man war on crime using various weapons. His methods include murder, kidnapping, extortion, coercion, threats of violence, and torture in his campaign against crime.
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