General & Others Officially confirmed: Zoro is the vice captain
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It's over. Zoro is officially confirmed as right hand/vice captain/first mate or whatever you want to call the 2nd strongest in a group.
This was rather obvious, there is a shit ton of feats and portrayal from manga and databooks that are clear proof. A good 90% of people have always been sure of that, only a small minority dared to argue against the blatant evidence.
But now it's literally undesputable. Thankfully, Oda killed any remaining argument.
These characters (Marco, Shiryu, Ben Beckman, Rayleigh, Katakuri, King, Sabo, Killer, Bepo, Zoro) have nothing in common for Oda to put them together as if there was a precise reason.
Nothing in common; bar a single thing.
Being the obvious 2nds strongest/right hands/vice captain/first mates of their crews and groups.
It's time to face a simple reality: no mindfuckery and bullshit about roles (Zoro and Killer are listed as "fighters" but they clearly act as vice captains/right hands), or about relationships (Shiryu joined the crew later than other characters), or about age (Katakuri being younger than Perospero).
This is a shonen and Oda makes things easy. Strength means hierarchy. Hierarchy is because of strength. The strongest is the leader and the captain. The 2nd strongest is the right hand of the captain and factually acts as vice captain. Then there's the rest of the crew.
The only difference is between right hands/2nds that are very close to the captain and almost as strong as him (Rayleigh to Roger, Zoro to Luffy, Ben to Shanks, Killer to Kidd) and right hands/2nds that while stronger than anyone else in the crew are not that close to the captain (King to Kaido, Katakuri to Big Mom, Marco to Whitebeard).
The beginning draft of the cover shows Oda's intent maybe even better than the final one: all characters are drew in the same way, and to Marco, Shiryu, Ben Beckman, Rayleigh, Katakuri, King, Sabo, Killer, Bepo and Zoro there are also added Mr 1 (Crocodile's right hand) and Vito (Capone's right hand).
Again, all these characters have nothing in common bar the most obvious thing: being the 2nd strongest in their respective crew/group.
@Finalbeta @T.D.A @Zowo @yorosenpai @ConquistadoR @Fenaker @The White Crane @Blother @kumae @Geo @Sentinel
This was rather obvious, there is a shit ton of feats and portrayal from manga and databooks that are clear proof. A good 90% of people have always been sure of that, only a small minority dared to argue against the blatant evidence.
But now it's literally undesputable. Thankfully, Oda killed any remaining argument.
These characters (Marco, Shiryu, Ben Beckman, Rayleigh, Katakuri, King, Sabo, Killer, Bepo, Zoro) have nothing in common for Oda to put them together as if there was a precise reason.
Nothing in common; bar a single thing.
Being the obvious 2nds strongest/right hands/vice captain/first mates of their crews and groups.
It's time to face a simple reality: no mindfuckery and bullshit about roles (Zoro and Killer are listed as "fighters" but they clearly act as vice captains/right hands), or about relationships (Shiryu joined the crew later than other characters), or about age (Katakuri being younger than Perospero).
This is a shonen and Oda makes things easy. Strength means hierarchy. Hierarchy is because of strength. The strongest is the leader and the captain. The 2nd strongest is the right hand of the captain and factually acts as vice captain. Then there's the rest of the crew.
The only difference is between right hands/2nds that are very close to the captain and almost as strong as him (Rayleigh to Roger, Zoro to Luffy, Ben to Shanks, Killer to Kidd) and right hands/2nds that while stronger than anyone else in the crew are not that close to the captain (King to Kaido, Katakuri to Big Mom, Marco to Whitebeard).
The beginning draft of the cover shows Oda's intent maybe even better than the final one: all characters are drew in the same way, and to Marco, Shiryu, Ben Beckman, Rayleigh, Katakuri, King, Sabo, Killer, Bepo and Zoro there are also added Mr 1 (Crocodile's right hand) and Vito (Capone's right hand).
Again, all these characters have nothing in common bar the most obvious thing: being the 2nd strongest in their respective crew/group.
@Finalbeta @T.D.A @Zowo @yorosenpai @ConquistadoR @Fenaker @The White Crane @Blother @kumae @Geo @Sentinel
Kata and shiryu aren't 2nd in command though. That's Perospero who is the actual 2nd of the big mom pirates, and Lafitte, who has the same job as Sabo.
This is a list of the 2nd strongest fighter next to the captain that's all
Marco also isn't second in command, the whitebeard pirates were explicitly not ranked by power or authority, just numbers. They're an equal family.
This is a list of the 2nd strongest fighter next to the captain that's all
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Marco also isn't second in command, the whitebeard pirates were explicitly not ranked by power or authority, just numbers. They're an equal family.
the 2nd most dominant power then? Lol
@ArturCantSpeakJapanese you can make an argument for Kata tho coz Daifuku did say he'd become the leader if mama dies... as the strongest.. strength is still a role.
Mama fam.. perhaps eldest son takes over and Prospero is cunning as it is.
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@ArturCantSpeakJapanese you can make an argument for Kata tho coz Daifuku did say he'd become the leader if mama dies... as the strongest.. strength is still a role.
Mama fam.. perhaps eldest son takes over and Prospero is cunning as it is.
Obviously just another massive coincidence, like it was a coincidence when
-Zoro was talked about as leader of the Strawhats on… three separate occasions? Whiskey Peak, Skypiea, Ennies Lobby. Can’t remember if there’s any more
-Urouge called him the second of the crew
-Zoro said he’d take over if Luffy didn’t live up to his expectation
-Barty, the biggest Strawhat fanboy in the world, called him the First Mate
-a host of other moments such as his role in the Usopp situation, him being the one to take Luffy’s pain, him fighting the second strongest constantly, etc
-the huge amount of supplementary material calling Zoro the first mate and second strongest of the crew.
So many, many coincidences surrounding Zoro. For this colourspread what actually happened is that Oda had a lottery of random names and drew out these characters.
-Zoro was talked about as leader of the Strawhats on… three separate occasions? Whiskey Peak, Skypiea, Ennies Lobby. Can’t remember if there’s any more
-Urouge called him the second of the crew
-Zoro said he’d take over if Luffy didn’t live up to his expectation
-Barty, the biggest Strawhat fanboy in the world, called him the First Mate
-a host of other moments such as his role in the Usopp situation, him being the one to take Luffy’s pain, him fighting the second strongest constantly, etc
-the huge amount of supplementary material calling Zoro the first mate and second strongest of the crew.
So many, many coincidences surrounding Zoro. For this colourspread what actually happened is that Oda had a lottery of random names and drew out these characters.
Maybe. Another possibility is simply strongest member of the crew excluding captain, but the emphasis is pretty strong. Besides we already had countless hints of Zoro as FM during the series. Now even if Luffy never directly acknowledged Zoro as vice captain that doesn't mean he would not be such if Luffy was gone assuming the crew would not get dismantled.
This was never really in doubt. Zoro has always been the "Vice Captain," Right Hand Man, and number 2 of the crew. He was never given that position in official capacity within the Straw Hats because they aren't structured that way, and Zoro doesn't actively seek a leadership position. Just as Luffy acts as a proper Captain during more serious situations, so too does Zoro serve his role as Vice-Captain when times call for it.
I also don't think Oda is as pedantic over the semantics and distinctions between Vice Captain, or Right Hand, or number 2 as the fandom. More often than not, they all go hand in hand.
I also don't think Oda is as pedantic over the semantics and distinctions between Vice Captain, or Right Hand, or number 2 as the fandom. More often than not, they all go hand in hand.
BM treating katakuri like that means that
You guys should stop comparing BMP with others
BMP is a family first before being a pirate group
There's no FM/VC/chief of staff whatever
Perospero the first son & child has the most authority in the crew whom only Katakuri surpass in authority coz he's the strongest child.
No rocks pirate has a VC/FM/chief of staff
Only Roger and Shanks have 1
Strawhats have no official VC or RH
They have Wings that's it
Oda himself said it in sbs and made Robin day it
Luffy has wings not VC or RH
You guys should stop comparing BMP with others
BMP is a family first before being a pirate group
There's no FM/VC/chief of staff whatever
Perospero the first son & child has the most authority in the crew whom only Katakuri surpass in authority coz he's the strongest child.
No rocks pirate has a VC/FM/chief of staff
Only Roger and Shanks have 1
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Strawhats have no official VC or RH
They have Wings that's it
Oda himself said it in sbs and made Robin day it
Luffy has wings not VC or RH
"Officially confirmed" and you guys keep missing the point so badly.
"First mate" (the position wrongly called "vice captain") is a specific hierarchical role in some crews and it doesn't equal second strongest nor even right hand man. Marco, who is in the color spread, was stated to be Whitebeard's right hand man yet he's never, ever addressed as his first mate (not even in Vivre Cards) and Oda comments on each division commander sharing equal rank. Shiryu, who is also present here, not only hasn't been confirmed as Teach's first mate but it's Laffite who owns the authority role of chief of staff —the exact same position Sabo has as second in command of the Revolutionary Army. An obvious example where the first mate isn't the second strongest is Buggy's crew: even among its original members, Cabaji —chief of staff— and Mohji —first mate— were equally strong to the point of fighting to a draw.
This color spread probably represents the second strongest of their crews, nothing more. Zoro is the combatant and Luffy's right wing, not the first mate; in fact, the only first mates there are Rayleigh and Beckman: the rest of them are either right hand men, chiefs of staff, authorities sharing their hierarchy place or just fighters.
"First mate" (the position wrongly called "vice captain") is a specific hierarchical role in some crews and it doesn't equal second strongest nor even right hand man. Marco, who is in the color spread, was stated to be Whitebeard's right hand man yet he's never, ever addressed as his first mate (not even in Vivre Cards) and Oda comments on each division commander sharing equal rank. Shiryu, who is also present here, not only hasn't been confirmed as Teach's first mate but it's Laffite who owns the authority role of chief of staff —the exact same position Sabo has as second in command of the Revolutionary Army. An obvious example where the first mate isn't the second strongest is Buggy's crew: even among its original members, Cabaji —chief of staff— and Mohji —first mate— were equally strong to the point of fighting to a draw.
This color spread probably represents the second strongest of their crews, nothing more. Zoro is the combatant and Luffy's right wing, not the first mate; in fact, the only first mates there are Rayleigh and Beckman: the rest of them are either right hand men, chiefs of staff, authorities sharing their hierarchy place or just fighters.
