General & Others Officially confirmed: Zoro is the vice captain
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...Or just noone is the first mate? You know that not every group has one, right?
Cut the copium crap. First mate is a very specific role in a hierarchy, and in this color spread only Rayleigh and Beckman share it. Marco was addressed as Whitebeard's right hand man but every division commander shares the same rank; Zoro's official position is that of combatant, like Killer himself and others who aren't second to their captain such as Lucky Roo and Gotti; all three Calamities are labelled as Kaido's "right hand men" and most trusted subordinates and, if anything, King is their most significant member; and so on.
I mean, you have Sabo here, whose role is chief of staff, yet Teach's second is Shiryu in spite of Laffite being his chief of staff (the position that Sabo has as Dragon's number two). That alone should tell you this isn't about "first mates" but just second strongest.
Cut the copium crap. First mate is a very specific role in a hierarchy, and in this color spread only Rayleigh and Beckman share it. Marco was addressed as Whitebeard's right hand man but every division commander shares the same rank; Zoro's official position is that of combatant, like Killer himself and others who aren't second to their captain such as Lucky Roo and Gotti; all three Calamities are labelled as Kaido's "right hand men" and most trusted subordinates and, if anything, King is their most significant member; and so on.
I mean, you have Sabo here, whose role is chief of staff, yet Teach's second is Shiryu in spite of Laffite being his chief of staff (the position that Sabo has as Dragon's number two). That alone should tell you this isn't about "first mates" but just second strongest.
Right hand man= the one who stands beside the leader, the second in comand.
King is the only one refered as Kaido's right hand man, Sabo also has been refered as the second in comand of the revolutionaries, only behind Dragon. BB crew is all about strenght, being the second strongest there means you are the second in comand, anyone with a half working brain would have figured it out already ages ago.
King is the only one refered as Kaido's right hand man, Sabo also has been refered as the second in comand of the revolutionaries, only behind Dragon. BB crew is all about strenght, being the second strongest there means you are the second in comand, anyone with a half working brain would have figured it out already ages ago.
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Right hand man= the one who stands beside the leader, the second in comand.
King is the only one refered as Kaido's right hand man, Sabo also has been refered as the second in comand of the revolutionaries, only behind Dragon. BB crew is all about strenght, being the second strongest there means you are the second in comand, anyone with a half working brain would have figured it out already ages ago.
King is the only one refered as Kaido's right hand man, Sabo also has been refered as the second in comand of the revolutionaries, only behind Dragon. BB crew is all about strenght, being the second strongest there means you are the second in comand, anyone with a half working brain would have figured it out already ages ago.
First mate is first mate, period. If Zoro, or Marco, or Killer and so on were the first mates they would have been given such role in their Vivre Cards the same way Rayleigh and Beckman did. Your half working brain thinks it's figuring this out, but it actually isn't because you are simplifying what "first mate" means. The only thing you do is assume that the second strongest subordinate has to also take a rank of official hierarchy, but that's confirmed to not be the case —whether by all division commanders sharing the same rank, or Laffite having Sabo's rank in Teach's crew yet not appearing in the spread, or Katakuri being the strongest of the Sweet Generals yet never, ever addressed as having an official role above that and staying a minister just like everybody, and so on—; a failed assumption, therefore. In other words: pretty much everybody can see what you can (Zoro is second strongest and Luffy's right wing? No shit, impressive, confirmed, what an unexpected set of characters in this color spread...!), but others can read it better yet you think of yourself as the smart one here.
And again, cut the copium crap. I'm not even a Sanji fan yet you seem so oblivious to reality I bet you think I am.
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Stop the copium.
Stop blabbering with roles, attitudes, ages, and what not.
Oda doesn't care about all that quarrels.
This is a shonen manga. Hierarchies need to be easy.
Power = Hierarchy. Hierarchy = Power.
In 99% of times, things are like that.
Stop blabbering with roles, attitudes, ages, and what not.
Oda doesn't care about all that quarrels.
This is a shonen manga. Hierarchies need to be easy.
Power = Hierarchy. Hierarchy = Power.
In 99% of times, things are like that.
Power =/= hierarchy. Tons of counterexamples, and even if it truly amounted to just 1% it would still make room for any second strongest to not be the first mate as the official role it is.
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I've seen you shitting on Zoro in the past, while simping for Sanji.
Such massive ammount of copium should be illegal, how many times did you overdose already in order for your brain to have melted soo bad you would publicly post soo much bullshit? Even you already admited Zoro is luffy's right hand man LOL.
Bepo is not the second strongest in his crew, but he is also there, he IS the VC tho.
Such massive ammount of copium should be illegal, how many times did you overdose already in order for your brain to have melted soo bad you would publicly post soo much bullshit? Even you already admited Zoro is luffy's right hand man LOL.
Bepo is not the second strongest in his crew, but he is also there, he IS the VC tho.
I think Oda has given the distiction if you see Rayleigh's introduction.
Right hand and First mate(Vice captain) aren't the same ,hence he made Rayleigh be both The First mate and the Right hand.
There would be no reason to mention both.
Red-orange Vice-captain.
Green Right hand.
The world saw him as the right hand and that's why I think Oda put it inside quotation marks,while the Vice captain was his internal role in the crew.
Marco also has only the Right hand unless I missed it.
The colour spread is about the The Second strongest-the Right hands.
Right hand and First mate(Vice captain) aren't the same ,hence he made Rayleigh be both The First mate and the Right hand.
There would be no reason to mention both.
Red-orange Vice-captain.
Green Right hand.
The world saw him as the right hand and that's why I think Oda put it inside quotation marks,while the Vice captain was his internal role in the crew.
Marco also has only the Right hand unless I missed it.
The colour spread is about the The Second strongest-the Right hands.