[FNZ] Role Madness Alabasta Arc (Smoker and Mafia victory)

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Ratchet

The End and the Beginning
ur kill wud work on vivi/igaram but not croc
i do agree u needed to play with town
however i feel u tunneled odd abit too much that u lost town's favor personally

was i gna ignore u? yes, im not rly interested in in an indie
if i have a vig shot wud i hit u with it? nope, i wud try to narrow down PoE by hitting ali/dest who i sused day 3

i cant rly tell what was going on with tpein. he just shot a claimed indie. very inefficient if u ask me
I didn't need town's "favour". I was never going to appease them and I didn't even try. I gave them a slot less to resolve and my two voting power would keep them in the game as long as I needed them in the game. That was the trade off. I was certainly not going to tailor my play for them, because I would not have been given the same back. If town were in a position to win the game, and could afford the mislynch, they wouldn't offer a player of their's I needed dead before hammering scum. They'd just take the win there and then.

I had no way of knowing my kill wouldn't have worked on Croc.
 

EkkoLoJinx

No dude... that's a bike...!!
I didn't need town's "favour". I was never going to appease them and I didn't even try. I gave them a slot less to resolve and my two voting power would keep them in the game as long as I needed them in the game. That was the trade off. I was certainly not going to tailor my play for them, because I would not have been given the same back. If town were in a position to win the game, and could afford the mislynch, they wouldn't offer a player of their's I needed dead before hammering scum. They'd just take the win there and then.

I had no way of knowing my kill wouldn't have worked on Croc.
see that was the issue, thats what get ppl paranoid about indies
if u wont become town's slave, none cares for u apparently
coming out in good faith is always appreciated. and mango was also strongly read as non mafia
i can see a world where we let u stay until we have 3-4 scums
by that time u will already likely get the townies u need cuz mafia will kill them for u

the problem is, and again thats what town dont like, is the fact that u chose to hard tunnel a townie and resutled in scum using that wagon as an escape goat with a hammer.

that what triggered tpein's response to shoot u seeing as u started the odd wagon. i could gurantee u he didnt read the phase. just saw vote count and saw some argument of u and odd.

ik this is speaking too much in a hindsight but assuming we all help u and jump on odd wagon, only for him to flip town, none would ever listen to u again and u will be casted aside if not lynched tbh.

p.s crocolide in the GF. likely will be bulletproof so ur kill was made to hit a towny

u needed an ability to investigate if ur target was vivi/igaram or not probabaly
 
I can't understate the fact that my wincon was so fucked I would have insta lost if someone killed/lynched T Pein at any point in the game, and I didn't even start out knowing who they were

I had a Zoro cop that I used successfully, first try, to identify him as Zoro. And then saved his ass out of a lynch
 
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