Spoiler One Piece Chapter 970 Spoilers Discussion

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I don't dislike Oden, but it's simple.

Even if you force the " Sole swordsman" narrative, it doesn't save Oden.

Oden is a swordsman by heart, who follows the way of the sword, and there's nothing in his entire arsenal that doesn't involve swordsmanship.

It's a fact that Oden was never skilled enough to "create" a Black blade, that's a death sentence to anyone that tries to put him above Mihawk.

Quite frankly speaking, you CAN'T even put Oden above Mihawk, that's not possible.
 
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Just reread that

Kaido never said he was gonna lose 5 Years ago
Just that the battle would have be tougher since they were lacking in manpower

Also LOL AT Kaido not making a huge jump in 18 years
Are people smoking weed?
When Sengoku says Kaido grew a lot stronger since 38 years ago, you think Kaido stop growing 20 years ago ?
Oda is drunk to have Kaido who didnt lose his will to be stagnated , pre Yonko kaido = Yonko Kaido or pre Yonko kaido =< Yonko Kaido

Maybe you guys should go learn about chatacter growth progression.

Kaido and Oden are both admiral level in this battle.

Silly me I thought Kaido admitted he was gonna lose 5 years ago.
When in fact he only admitted the battle would be tougher
 
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Oden never managed to turn Enma or Ame no habakiri into a black blade. Tenguyama stated that in Zoro's hands Enma might jump in rank and becomes one, so it depends on the skill of the user.

Oden fought and lived with both swords since he was 18, but to his death didn't manage to turn it black, while 40 year old Mihawk already has one.

Mihawk's sword skill > Oden's

Also. Mihawk's the WSS, a title specifically invented to honour his sword skills.

That's about it buddy.

Oden also traveled with strongest people in the world
Oden also is a super human with super endurance and super strength and super healing power
and his feats are MUCH better than what ever Mihawk should us


Mihawk is only better than him in one term of power and as Oda said himself being better (having advantage) in one term of power can't put you over another person for sure
 
I didn't say Kaido can't grow stronger in 20 years, there is absolutely nothing at this point suggesting he has in fact grown stronger. Give me narrative reasons for the position that current Kaido being significantly stronger than the version that fought Oden, and not "Lol Oden isn't Yonkou level".
Because Luffy wont fight a Kaido that weve already seen his limits. Where have we ever seen a FB of the main villain and weve seen him pushed to his limits in the current form that he is in. It Luffy....and only Luffy's job to push them to their current extremes onpanel.
 
In the end it's fictional character so it

I totally agree on that. I guess it also depends who he fights, if it's one of their fav then they definitely don't want to see him in a solo fight.
They have to understand that he is the mc and it's a normal path that he's taking rn.
Dude, against Queen and Cracker, they wanted Luffy to lose to "experience the New World hell" LOL. So, I dare say Queen and Cracker are not actually fan favorites

Sure, there are huge fans of those two. Same for jack. But those fans like them for their character. And not because of the obsession of defeating Luffy.

Dude, I'll tell you even a more fun one. We can all agree on Luffy being superior to Zoro, right???

Here is what I saw from the community during the end of Dressrosa when Luffy faced Fujitora.

"Luffy vs Fujitora??? It's too soon, run for it Luffy, you are idiot, you cannot face him...."

Then those same fans after Zoro said "tag me in"
"Woaaaaaaah" Strong voices and cheers LOL
 
Just reread that

Kaido never said he was gonna lose 5 Years ago
Just that the battle would have be tougher since they were lacking in manpower

Also LOL AT Kaido not making a huge jump in 18 years
Are people smoking weed?
When Sengoku says Kaido grew a lot stronger since 38 years ago, you think Kaido stop growing 20 years ago ?
Oda is drunk to have Kaido who didnt lose his will to be stagnated , pre Yonko kaido = Yonko Kaido or pre Yonko kaido =< Yonko Kaido

Maybe you guys should go learn about chatacter growth progression.

Kaido and Oden are both low top tiers, in this battle.

Silly me I thought Kaido admitted he was gonna lose 5 years ago.
When in fact he only admitted the battle would be tougher
How much you think he grew?

The double ,triple?
 
IIRC the numbers were referred to as the monsters of Onigashima and at the time of this battle it doesn't seem like Kaidou had made Onigashima his home yet. Oden appears to have challenged Kaidou & Orochi at Orochi's castle according to the spoilers, so chances are that Kaidou tamed them and then used them to bolster his forces at a later time, when he took over Onigashima, so I don't think they participated in the battle against Oden.
The Numbers would fit in with the Beasts Pirates' missing link (King, Queen, Jack, "10", "9", etc.). The Headliners look like allied pirate captains (like Luffy's Grand Fleet).

Oden found the One Piece as being equals with Roger and Rayleigh, Gaban etc.
Will Nami and Usopp be equals to Roger and Rayleigh too?

There is no evidence that Mihawk didn't try as a pirate, even if he didn't try like WB, WB was still the ''closest man to One Piece''.
There's no evidence he did try nor cared. If he wanted to be Pirate King, then you'd think he'd have a crew, but he's a lone wolf who's only concerns center around swordsmanship.
 

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Nah king had to go hybrid form to win against ashura and kinemon. Queen also went hybrid for kanjuro
Just because they aint use it on panel doesn't mean they didn't use it:yasu:
If we're using headcanon now, I also think that used 1% of his full power in hybrid to beat them, otherwise he'd destroy the island by just being on it.
 
I didn't say Kaido can't grow stronger in 20 years, there is absolutely nothing at this point suggesting he has in fact grown stronger. Give me narrative reasons for the position that current Kaido being significantly stronger than the version that fought Oden, and not "Lol Oden isn't Yonkou level".
Because his hype, portrayal, role in the story, and lastly his bounty suggest that hes the closest character to Roger and WB, and I really fought Oden at that time can be stronger than such character
 
I didn't say Kaido can't grow stronger in 20 years, there is absolutely nothing at this point suggesting he has in fact grown stronger. Give me narrative reasons for the position that current Kaido being significantly stronger than the version that fought Oden, and not "Lol Oden isn't Yonkou level".
Him fighting youkous and marines and their wasnt any youkous back then.
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Oden also traveled with strongest people in the world
Oden also is a super human with super endurance and super strength and super healing power
and his feats are MUCH better than what ever Mihawk should us


Mihawk is only better than him in one term of power and as Oda said himself being better (having advantage) in one term of power can't put you over another person for sure
Mihawk also has the better Sword
 

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Oden is a swordsman by heart, who follows the way of the sword, and there's nothing in his entire arsenal that doesn't involve swordsmanship.
When i said "Roger didn't followed the Way of the sword so he should not be considered a swordsman in the same way as Mihawk/Zoro" i almost got lynched by the Zoro/Mihawk fan base cuz "There is not such thing as Way of the Sword in One Piece
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Oden also traveled with strongest people in the world
Oden also is a super human with super endurance and super strength and super healing power
and his feats are MUCH better than what ever Mihawk should us


Mihawk is only better than him in one term of power and as Oda said himself being better (having advantage) in one term of power can't put you over another person for sure
Buggy did traveled with the strongest ppl in the world....

BM and Kaido are super-whatever yet normal humans will defeat them.

Super healing power...:few:

His feat while going all out that's great.

We can say shanks and Mihawk was oden vs Kaido .....but in this case a draw.

When Mihawk goes all out you can build an argument.

Simple Shonem laws already put Mihawk above all swordmans you trying to ignore it tell us your deep denial.
 
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because his portrayal leave little room to take him seriously

what happening to Kaido here still isn't even remotely comparable to Mohawk trash performance in MF
If anything. This flashback for me proved to me 100 times Mihawk's hype is NOT false.

Do you honestly think that Zoro's dream is so cheap.. that Oda would give Zoro dream goal... against a swordsman who is WEAKER than another swordsman???

I understand that oden and Mihawk are from different eras. BUT, if Oden is a stronger swordsman than Mihawk. then oda would have switched them for Zoro's sake.
Oda would have made Mihawk be the one in this current story, while he would have made Oden, the current strongest swordsman, so that Zoro surpasses him

People do not realize the amount of Wank Oda puts for Zoro.
Zoro will achieve a level fo swordsmanship and strength at the EoS that is so terrifying. Which is why Mihawk level is beyond your imaginations
 
Oden is a super human
Nearly every single person in the verse is one, lol.

Oden clash with Whitebeard
Still acknowledged Whitebeard as VASTLY superior

Oden fight with Roger
Dude, he was swatted across an island with a one armed strike.

Oden Travel to end of the world
No factor

Oden stand equal to Kaido
A 20 year weaker Kaido who was just challenged equally by Moria

Zoro tards : Oden was a low top tier ....
Oden is indeed a low top Tier.

Seriously bro, but those weren't arguments.
 
this type of defense is good for low top tiers ....

not for people who their fans claim he is above all Yonko
Mihawk is not the type of person to use overwhelming strength just to destroy his opponent. That's manga facts not a defense. You're the one who believe a Yonko level character must show overwhelming power and completely destroy anybody lower than them for you to believe they are Yonko level.
 
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