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Lmaoooo reused animation from page one fight is irrelevant. However yes king caught an offguard sanji in a surprise attack.

This is pre awakening.

You're a clown for bringing up sanji pre awakening
There is zero proof that indicates that sanjis awakening without the suit is faster than his pre awakening combined with the raid suit.

Him destroying the raid suit alludes that now has the defensive properties and speed of said raid suit. But it does not confirm that his speed is above what is was when he used said raid suit
 
There is zero proof that indicates that sanjis awakening without the suit is faster than his pre awakening combined with the raid suit.

Him destroying the raid suit alludes that now has the defensive properties and speed of said raid suit. But it does not confirm that his speed is above what is was when he used said raid suit
>Lmao one gets invisibility df Kanji
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>Queen literally can't perceive him yet page one can in the suit
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>Sanji says he's on another level
:goyea:

>Ssg gets swift diffed in every debate with me
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Just taught ya something in my latest reply. Swift diffed coby
Um no. For this to be a debate would mean you had to present a valid point. You didn't therefore this is me teaching something rather than it is a debate
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When has he perceived marco? All I remember was marco also blitzing him. Infact queen only got hits cuz marco was busy fighting a fast opponent king. So what was your point?
Proof? I never saw king ever showing speed on the same range as marcos. King has zero speed feats compared to marco.

Still I want proof queen only landed sneaks😂😂😂😂😂😂
 
>Lmao one gets invisibility df Kanji
:kata:

>Queen literally can't perceive him yet page one can in the suit
:beckmoji:

>Sanji says he's on another level
:goyea:

>Ssg gets swift diffed in every debate with me
:josad:
Page one perceived sanji in raid suit? Ok so are you saying that sanji was using his fullspead while fighting page one in raid suit? That's something I am willing to take the L on if it's true since it would feed into my previous argument that sanji was going all out fighting page one. So which one is it?
 
Hahaha I'm not gonna pull up scans because you're autistic. It's in the manga. Reread the doriki chapter
Yea sure, you know what you were saying is BS so you wont try to prove it. Even when Spandam was made fun of for having 9 douriki, he said he has his sword implying that he would be stronger than 9 douriki with it. It was never supposed to perfectly represent fighting ability but if you want to use it for Sanji/Zoro/Kaku/Jyabura 15 years ago be my guest.
 
Just taught ya something in my latest reply. Swift diffed coby

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Proof? I never saw king ever showing speed on the same range as marcos. King has zero speed feats compared to marco.

Still I want proof queen only landed sneaks😂😂😂😂😂😂
And I never saw sanji fighting someone as fast as king. So until he fights someone fast your point is mute. His speed solely looks impressive because he is fighting someone that lacks speed agility and mobilty
 
Page one perceived sanji in raid suit? Ok so are you saying that sanji was using his fullspead while fighting page one in raid suit? That's something I am willing to take the L on if it's true since it would feed into my previous argument that sanji was going all out fighting page one. So which one is it?
Nah I'm one of those guys who don't think the suit boosted his speed much. Just allows him to focus his energy on other things. The portrayal wasn't there. Only supporting part of the manga is sanji being called slow in wci and he wasn't even trying to go fast. His face showed he was chilling
 
Nah I'm one of those guys who don't think the suit boosted his speed much. Just allows him to focus his energy on other things. The portrayal wasn't there. Only supporting part of the manga is sanji being called slow in wci and he wasn't even trying to go fast. His face showed he was chilling
Well that's bullshit since

1. Ninja stated his speed was light speed because of raid suit

2. Sanji stated that the booster increased his speed

So........ are you saying that sanji was capping?
 
Yea sure, you know what you were saying is BS so you wont try to prove it. Even when Spandam was made fun of for having 9 douriki, he said he has his sword implying that he would be stronger than 9 douriki with it. It was never supposed to perfectly represent fighting ability but if you want to use it for Sanji/Zoro/Kaku/Jyabura 15 years ago be my guest.
Honestly bro I don't view sword as being the only weapon. Every single tempest kick and finger pistol is a weapon. It's used the same way and has the same utility.

What would the difference between luccis finger pistol and a sword be? Both are weapons at that point.


Add in that jabras a tekkai master compared to kaku and I think it balances out even if I was wrong about weapons. Even tho I'm not. It's in the manga.
 
Lmao reread the doriki scene. It says a weapon. Cry more but it's there. In the anime too
I think you are thinking of this, where they are basically saying an armed soldier has a PL of 10.


It did not clarify at all how this was measured. Logically, the doriki probably wasnt measured by the soldier punching Fuku and it magically takes the gun hes holding into account. Also important to note, Kaku didn’t even seem to be holding his swords in that scene so not sure thats a winning argument.
 
And I never saw sanji fighting someone as fast as king. So until he fights someone fast your point is mute. His speed solely looks impressive because he is fighting someone that lacks speed agility and mobilty
What makes you say king is really fast? I haven't seen any indication. Kings fastest attack is slower than queens laser beam spam.

My points moot cause you can't refute me and have shit tier headcanon.

I'll accept it.

Next time don't use headcanon or I won't debate you. I've yet to see why in anyway fucking possible king has way better perception than queen when it comes to speedsters. 🤡
 
Honestly bro I don't view sword as being the only weapon. Every single tempest kick and finger pistol is a weapon. It's used the same way and has the same utility.

What would the difference between luccis finger pistol and a sword be? Both are weapons at that point.


Add in that jabras a tekkai master compared to kaku and I think it balances out even if I was wrong about weapons. Even tho I'm not. It's in the manga.
Let's see.

Make my body part sharp, or apply that same sharpness I would apply on my body to an object that is already naturally sharp thus increases sharpness......


Hmmmm
 
I think you are thinking of this, where they are basically saying an armed soldier has a PL of 10.


It did not clarify at all how this was measured. Logically, the doriki probably wasnt measured by the soldier punching Fuku and it magically takes the gun hes holding into account. Also important to note, Kaku didn’t even seem to be holding his swords in that scene so not sure thats a winning argument.
Holding a sword<manga saying it counts weapon
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Let's see.

Make my body part sharp, or apply that same sharpness I would apply on my body to an object that is already naturally sharp thus increases sharpness......


Hmmmm
How would they add iron finger to a sword? Shut the hell up already
 
What makes you say king is really fast? I haven't seen any indication. Kings fastest attack is slower than queens laser beam spam.

My points moot cause you can't refute me and have shit tier headcanon.

I'll accept it.

Next time don't use headcanon or I won't debate you. I've yet to see why in anyway fucking possible king has way better perception than king when it comes to speedsters. 🤡
He literally was blitzing zoro and was stated to be fast. The same dude blitzed sanjis that was wearing a raid suit.

Your points mute because it isn't a point. There's no substance hence why it's me teaching you.

I mean the same king blitzed a ship with bigmom and her crew on it to the point that even when they saw him from a distance they could not react in time yet to ask what speed has king shown? Boy are you as backwards and then forward again?
 
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