Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1035 Spoilers Discussion

[Shanal]

Isn't a HUGE black lightning the biggest evidence of advanced CoC use?? Unless you have other explanation with evidence backing you up, then there's nothing to discuss.

Yeah, that's not it. Single, thick streak leaving the weapon or attack. Another indication can be no touch but that's not mandatory.

It's confirmed that Luffy was hit by ACoC for the first time vs Ragnarok, and he immediately figured out what it was.

 

[Cross_Marian]

you inow she won’t.
I can be better mod than her
Reason is: might is right for me

TAC is not a lady. It is his own species

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Shit.

Now I have insentive to wank King since he used magma.

I still his gimmick is the easiest to counter out of all the YC1s

 

[uyuu]

Zoro has ACoC. He coated his swords in it. We learned about that ability on the rooftop.

Having this debate with you already, there was no black lightning or no-touch zone in rooftop, meaning its basic. AdvCoC also was a technique that is figured out of instead of simply going all-out, those things contradict Rooftop Zoro's AdvCoC.

While black lightning from 1033 Zoro tend to depict AdvCoC since Roger vs WB had those lightning streaks. But Zoro's case was accompanied by fodder knock, meaning if i wanna nitpick, that could also imply basic CoC instead of AdvCoC. AdvCoC didnt do fodder knock since it was infused to the attacks. Moreover, King doesnt say CoC infusion at all, instead he said oh so you have Kingly Ambition (CoC) as well. Thats not AdvCoC indication, its generic CoC indication.

While on the other hand, the supporting factor for Zoro's AdvCoC is black lightning streaks from the sword. I agree with this, but it also need to be confirmed with no-touch zone if we wanna say its confirmed to be AdvCoC ("the power to defeat enemies without touching" "they're not even touching") or someone relevant like King saying "its infusion CoC" or sumn instead of generic "so you have CoC"

Dont be so serious i just wanna provide something to balance out Zoro AdvCoC hypetrain

 

[ConquistadoR]

Even without his super durability, he could withstand En Ou Santoryu attacks from Zoro.

You predicted a different Ashura form, turns out we're getting a different Santoryu form lol.

 

[Strawhats Bible]

The thing is ... why use the speed mode?

Kata doesn't have anything to overwhelm his defense mode so he can just stall and let kata waste away his haki.

This chapter itself tells that he resorted to use his speed mode cuz Zoro was able to hurt him in his defense mode. He went speed mode to avoid the damage .

Kata doesn't have AP close to current Zoro so King doesn't need to go speed mode at all.

Didn't really get this idea from the summary, for me it tells that King has been using high speed since the beginning of their fight and Zoro just figured out his gimmick when he landed a hit when he entered that Mode.
Nothing suggest King wouldn't use his high speed mode, specially against a opponent he cannot hit.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

If it's advanced CoC Ikkoku, I agree with Fuji. Otherwise I don't see it doing more.

Based on what?

 

[Ice devil slayer]

King>Marco>Katakuri

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Big Mom's Maser Canon didn't one-shot Ulti but Smoothie will?

Smoothie's powers are hax

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Why? Because King and Queen lost to vastly superior opponents respectively in 15 minutes?

Pray tell me, are you going to argue that Fujitora/Kizaru/Ryokogyu have less endurance than Akainu and Aokiji when they eventually lose to Sanji and Zoro within a day?

That's litearlly not how it works lol.

Jack, an inferior Ancient Zoan, lasted 5 days against his equals in the base Dukes. Katakuri laster 11 hours against his equal in Luffy.

King and Queen are superior Ancient Zoans than Jack, they'll be able to replicate similar endurance feats against their equals. They lost under 15 minutes because Zoro and Sanji hit really hard and outclass their respective opponents, unlike WCI Luffy and Katakuri.

Really tells you oda is not consistent with powerlevels.

Sanji and Zoro both had extraordinary leap in power between dressrossa and wano. Luffy literally had to grow up struggling against cracker and kata with lot of help to learning advanced coa .

That extraordinary leap makes no sense either zoro was already powerful than luffy post timeskip which should not make sense but here we are.

 

[Cinera]

Zoro: "These flames are like magma!!"
Zoro: "These flames are like magma!!"
Zoro: "These flames are like magma!!"
Zoro: "These flames are like magma!!"

All those who said that Ifrit Jambe is hotter than King's flames, eat your L.

 

[Screws Loose242]

we see Germa 66's fleet leaving Whole Cake Island Territory. big mom wasn't no treath to the germa

 

[Cross_Marian]

So it occurs to me that I was completely correct about Queen being more durable than King LMFAOOOO

Yes because Ifrit Jambe is stronger than Zoro's adv CoC attack…
don’t drink so much, you still need some brain cells to live.

 

[CbShadow]

Isn't a HUGE black lightning the biggest evidence of advanced CoC use?? Unless you have other explanation with evidence backing you up, then there's nothing to discuss.

No, black lightning has existed for a while. We have seen none CoC users cause black lightning. ACoC didn't exist back then. It wasn't introduced in the manga until Wano.

 

[Master OF Haki]

Black lightning like that doesnt mean AdvCoC tho, Luffy Kata both use black lightning in WCI without clashing.

...but worry not! We can use it to stop the hype train of AdvCoC Zoro's black lightning later when we get the panels! "Oh, Black lightning is AdvCoC? Kata has it as well when he slammed Luffy or in other attacks, without any clashing. So either both Kata and Zoro have AdvCoC or neither have AdvCoC. But Zoro dont have CoA hardening lvl 2 like Katakuri's Block Mochi right? All hail Katakuri!"

If you guys agree to accept all black lightning as a sign of advanced CoC then I'm more than happy to join the "Zoro ACoC" bandwagon.

 

[yorosenpai]

Shit.

Now I have insentive to wank King since he used magma.

I still his gimmick is the easiest to counter out of all the YC1s

magma can rape the mochi boy.

Mochi is utterly useless vs someone that can use magma attack

King destroy Kata :cheers:

 

[ShadyOjiro]

Yeah, it seems as if I spoke too soon for ZKK

if Zoro vs King really does parallel to the ryuma, then imo that would reduce the chances of ZKK happening. The chapter does seem much more impactful in the summary than in the quick synopsis.
However, I think I'll choose to be ambivalent on ZKK. I won't say I'm anti-ZKK but I'm not entirely convinced it will happen. We still have yet to see answers about Zoro's connection to wano, so there has to be a big zoro moment at the end of this arc. Something that will tie together all the little hints we've got about zoro's backstory into one thing.

This could definitely be ZKK and if so, imo that would be really hype. But I'm also open to the possibility that it could be something else. Ryuma did defend wano from outsiders and the marines are trying to conquer wano. Perhaps Zoro could have a brief 1v1 with a navy admiral at the end of the arc. Something that parallels his "nothing happened" moment with kuma at the end of thriller bark.

Issue that I have with using the defeat of King to discredit ZKK is that it doesn't give Zoro the status of Ryuma.

Is not that Ryuma killed a dragon and nothing else , a whole legend and status like a god started.
People think it's just powerlevel stuff but getting Ryuma status is way beyond simply I killed X .


At least the idea that Zoro is the next sword God should be in Wano people minds by the end of the arc otherwise I don't see any scenario where this could be brought up.

Like after leaving Wano how do you build Zoro being seen as the next Ryuma ?

 

[AkainuTheGrimReaper]

TAC is not a lady. It is his own species

Yeah right. While TAC is not lady. I am ruler of country rule by might is right power.

But I can be better mod than TAC. Only best people survive and worse people get banned forever by brute ban.

 

[God D usopp]

Akainu magma = king Imperial Flame Dragon > ace mera >>> pLaSma sanji

 

[Ice devil slayer]

King high diff Kata