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But what you have to understand is you're comparing a Luffy post-PU to a Zoro pre-PU.
With all of that said, I still do think Luffy is stronger. But I don't think it's unreasonable for Zoro to be in a similar tier or ballpark of strength as he is. As far as goals go, Luffy wants to defeat the Yonko to become Pirate King, while Zoro wants to defeat Mihawk, who has been directly compared to a Yonko, in order to become the WSS. That alone requires Zoro to be at least relative to Luffy even if he is undeniably weaker.
- Luffy only started making Kaido hyped to fight him and started fighting him equally after he got ACoC
- Kaido has been weakened by many people, including Zoro
- After Zoro got ACoC, he beat King without much trouble, outclassing him entirely
- Remember, at the beginning of the King and Queen fights it looked like the fights were even, but only after we got dedicated chapters to those fights did we see that Zoro and Sanji were overwhelmed by their opponents. As such, Luffy having comparatively less panels against Kaido in his 1v1 will look much better.
With all of that said, I still do think Luffy is stronger. But I don't think it's unreasonable for Zoro to be in a similar tier or ballpark of strength as he is. As far as goals go, Luffy wants to defeat the Yonko to become Pirate King, while Zoro wants to defeat Mihawk, who has been directly compared to a Yonko, in order to become the WSS. That alone requires Zoro to be at least relative to Luffy even if he is undeniably weaker.
the reasons why base luffy is much stronger than zoro
luffy CoC> x10 zoro minimum
luffy CoA> zoro
Luffy CoO> zoro
Luffy speed> zoro
luffy AP> zoro
Luffy Mobility> zoro
zoro physical strength> = luffy
and as if that was not enough luffy has a DF which allows him to activate gear which boosts all his abilities
base luffy midd diff zoro
G2 luffy negg-low diff zoro
these are just facts
luffy CoC> x10 zoro minimum
luffy CoA> zoro
Luffy CoO> zoro
Luffy speed> zoro
luffy AP> zoro
Luffy Mobility> zoro
zoro physical strength> = luffy
and as if that was not enough luffy has a DF which allows him to activate gear which boosts all his abilities
base luffy midd diff zoro
G2 luffy negg-low diff zoro
these are just facts
Full summary, thanks to redon from MangaHelpers Forums.
Chapter 1,036: “The way of the samurai is to find a place to die ”
Limited Cover Series, No. 25: “Running away from Whole Cake Island”. In the cover, we see Germa 66's fleet entering North Blue, successfully escaping WCI
Chapter starts where the previous one ended, with Zoro's attack being so powerful, the shockwaves can be felt throughout Onigashima and even Flower Capital. Different people are shown commenting on the shockwaves and vibrations felt relating it to wrath of the God. Cut to Onigashima, several people are shown reacting to impact of the attack including Yamato who is shown shivering and nearly collapsing.
Sanji approaches to Some, who is shaking in fear. Sanji extends his hands and give her Chuuji. Some thanks him for saving Chuuji as Sanji remembers the mouse he fed when he was a child.
Sanji: "Are...
you... fine..."
Some: "Oh."
When Sanji tries to worry about Some's condition, he falls unconscious to the ground. Some calls the other geisha to bring something to help Sanji.
[Leftbrain Tower of the Skull Dome. “Pleasure Hall's battle”
Winner: Sanji.]
Cut to the battle between Zoro and King. Zoro is kneeling on the ground after attacking King, this time Zoro has managed to damage him since King bleeds. Zoro's attack also cut another part of King's mask, we can see now his nose and his mouth. Zoro has already figured out how King's flame works.
Zoro: "When the “flame on his back” disappears...
He moves much faster, but...!!
His defense power is weaker...!!!"
Suddenly, King rips his mask off and we can see his whole face for the first time. He has brown skin, a tattoo around his left eye, and long white hair (with a braid on the right side). Kaidou's subordinates, who are still affected by Zoro's “Color of the Supreme King Haki”, stare at King in shock.
Kaidou's subordinates: "Ah... King's mask...!!
So... the rumors...
Are true...!!
Black wings, white hair... Brown skin.
If we notify it the Government, they will give us “100 million Berries”... Instantly. "
King: "..."
In an impressive page (where we see King in full length) King draws his sword and covers it with flames. Then he uses a powerful attack.
Kaidou's subordinates: "No... That is..."
King: "“Karyuudon” (Imperial Flame Dragon - 火龍皇 (かりゅうドン))!!!"
Kaidou's subordinates: "Gyaaaaaaah."
A dragon-shaped flame (the same type of dragon that Kaidou and Momonosuke) shoots out from King's sword and burns down Kaidou's subordinates. Zoro, who has climbed to the outside of the castle through the hole in the roof, talks to King.
Zoro: "You should take better care of your subordinates.
What kind of race are you that the Government would pay 100 million
to anyone just for notifying them about you?"
King: "...
Why would you want to know...
When you're about to die soon anyway!!"
King transforms into a Pteranodon and flies over to where Zoro is (while he shoots Zoro). Battle continues outside the castle, King continues shooting Zoro and also attacks him with his wings. After some attacks, the battle stops.
Zoro: "Hah... Hah...
I don't have much time...
If the fight lasts any longer, my sword can kill me!!"
King: "I can sense that dangerous aura."
Zoro: "It seems that he belongs to a special race... But that doesn't matter...
Hah... Hah...
You have been on the seat for too long, it's time to move out of the way already.
“En-ou Santoryuu” (King of Hell's Three Swords Style - 閻王三刀流 (えんおう さんとうりゅう))."
King: "Don't get ahead of yourself...
Kaidou-san is the one who will become the “Pirate King”!!"
A little flashback about teenager King begins, it takes place when he met Kaidou. Both were prisoners in Punk Hazard facility while Government experimented with them. Kaidou manages to escape and he finds King that was imprisoned in a machine.
Kaidou: "A “Lunarian”? The Government will never get their hands off you.
I've seen the resistance experiment they did with you.
I plan to leave this place.
I'm going to create a new pirate crew!!
What will you do? Guinea pig."
King: "Do you think you are capable to change the world?"
Kaidou: "Of course, I'm the only one that can do it!!!"
Kaidou frees King and the two escape while destroy Punk Hazard facility.
Kaidou: "What is your name?"
King: "Arbel*."
*Translation note: Japanese name is “アルベル” which has different romanizations (Arbel/Aluber/Arbert/Alubel...).
Kaidou: "You are strong boy, you can call yourself “King”!!
Come with me!!
From now on, you will be my right hand!!
Worororororo!!"
Back to the present, Zoro attacks King.
Zoro: "“Rengoku Oni Giri”!!!"
King dodges Zoro's attack and counterattacks.
King: "“Karyuudon” (Imperial Flame Dragon)!!!"
Zoro: "These flames are like magma!!"
Zoro dodges the fire dragon but King attacks him with his sword. Zoro manages to block it but King activates the sword's mechanism and grabs 3 Zoro's swords.
Zoro: "I won't let you take these “Meitou”!!!"
Zoro manages to free his swords and steps away from King. However, Zoro can't see where's King because he's moving at high speed.
Zoro: "He's using his speed!!
So...
I must attack!!
“Yakkoudori” (Bird Dance)!!!"
Zoro manages to dodge King's high-speed kick and counterattacks cutting King's torso vertically. King bleeds. Zoro takes advantage of the situation and keeps attacking King.
King: "So you understood the way my body works!!"
Zoro: "That's right...!! Did you finally realize!? I'm going to defeat you!!"
Even though King's flame is on fire, King now defends himself against Zoro's attacks.
Zoro: "Why don't you receive my attacks... If presumably they don't work against you!?"
Are you afraid? That I can hurt you...!!"
King flies away from Zoro, then he transforms into a Pteranodon.
King: "As a being, your kind (human) can never defeat me!!
Fufufu."
Zoro: "That's the kind of excuse I hate the most!!"
King: "...
I will remember you as swordman with considerable skill."
Zoro: "No. I will be the one to make YOU remember me if you manage to survive this!!"
King: "“Oomori Karyuudon” (Imperial Flame Guardian Dragon - 御守 火龍皇 (おおもり かりゅうどん))!!!"
King creates a larger and more powerful version of his flame dragon to attack Zoro.
Zoro: "“En-ou SANTORYUU*” (King of Hell, Three Dragons Swords - 閻王三刀龍 (えんおう さんとうりゅう))."
“Ippyaku Sanjou Hiryuu Jigoku” (130 Feelings, Flying Dragon Extreme Samurai - 一百三情飛龍侍極 (いっぴゃく さんじょう ひりゅうじごく))!!!"
*Translation note: This time, “Santoryuu” is written with “dragon” kanji (龍) instead of “style” kanji (流). We don't know if it's a typo or the name is correct.
In an AMAZING double page, Zoro uses a technique similar to his “Hiryuu Kaen” (but using his 3 swords at the same time) to attack King. This double page is almost the same as the one we can see when Ryuma kills the dragon in the story “Monsters” from “Wanted!” special Volume.
Zoro cuts in half the giant flame dragon created by King (who is shocked to see it). Then Zoro attacks King squarely with a very powerful cut in his torso, creating some black lightings.
Zoro's attack is so powerful, that he cuts King's sword in two parts and slices King's right wing in half...
End of chapter. Jump break next week.
Chapter 1,036: “The way of the samurai is to find a place to die ”
Limited Cover Series, No. 25: “Running away from Whole Cake Island”. In the cover, we see Germa 66's fleet entering North Blue, successfully escaping WCI
Chapter starts where the previous one ended, with Zoro's attack being so powerful, the shockwaves can be felt throughout Onigashima and even Flower Capital. Different people are shown commenting on the shockwaves and vibrations felt relating it to wrath of the God. Cut to Onigashima, several people are shown reacting to impact of the attack including Yamato who is shown shivering and nearly collapsing.
Sanji approaches to Some, who is shaking in fear. Sanji extends his hands and give her Chuuji. Some thanks him for saving Chuuji as Sanji remembers the mouse he fed when he was a child.
Sanji: "Are...
you... fine..."
Some: "Oh."
When Sanji tries to worry about Some's condition, he falls unconscious to the ground. Some calls the other geisha to bring something to help Sanji.
[Leftbrain Tower of the Skull Dome. “Pleasure Hall's battle”
Winner: Sanji.]
Cut to the battle between Zoro and King. Zoro is kneeling on the ground after attacking King, this time Zoro has managed to damage him since King bleeds. Zoro's attack also cut another part of King's mask, we can see now his nose and his mouth. Zoro has already figured out how King's flame works.
Zoro: "When the “flame on his back” disappears...
He moves much faster, but...!!
His defense power is weaker...!!!"
Suddenly, King rips his mask off and we can see his whole face for the first time. He has brown skin, a tattoo around his left eye, and long white hair (with a braid on the right side). Kaidou's subordinates, who are still affected by Zoro's “Color of the Supreme King Haki”, stare at King in shock.
Kaidou's subordinates: "Ah... King's mask...!!
So... the rumors...
Are true...!!
Black wings, white hair... Brown skin.
If we notify it the Government, they will give us “100 million Berries”... Instantly. "
King: "..."
In an impressive page (where we see King in full length) King draws his sword and covers it with flames. Then he uses a powerful attack.
Kaidou's subordinates: "No... That is..."
King: "“Karyuudon” (Imperial Flame Dragon - 火龍皇 (かりゅうドン))!!!"
Kaidou's subordinates: "Gyaaaaaaah."
A dragon-shaped flame (the same type of dragon that Kaidou and Momonosuke) shoots out from King's sword and burns down Kaidou's subordinates. Zoro, who has climbed to the outside of the castle through the hole in the roof, talks to King.
Zoro: "You should take better care of your subordinates.
What kind of race are you that the Government would pay 100 million
to anyone just for notifying them about you?"
King: "...
Why would you want to know...
When you're about to die soon anyway!!"
King transforms into a Pteranodon and flies over to where Zoro is (while he shoots Zoro). Battle continues outside the castle, King continues shooting Zoro and also attacks him with his wings. After some attacks, the battle stops.
Zoro: "Hah... Hah...
I don't have much time...
If the fight lasts any longer, my sword can kill me!!"
King: "I can sense that dangerous aura."
Zoro: "It seems that he belongs to a special race... But that doesn't matter...
Hah... Hah...
You have been on the seat for too long, it's time to move out of the way already.
“En-ou Santoryuu” (King of Hell's Three Swords Style - 閻王三刀流 (えんおう さんとうりゅう))."
King: "Don't get ahead of yourself...
Kaidou-san is the one who will become the “Pirate King”!!"
A little flashback about teenager King begins, it takes place when he met Kaidou. Both were prisoners in Punk Hazard facility while Government experimented with them. Kaidou manages to escape and he finds King that was imprisoned in a machine.
Kaidou: "A “Lunarian”? The Government will never get their hands off you.
I've seen the resistance experiment they did with you.
I plan to leave this place.
I'm going to create a new pirate crew!!
What will you do? Guinea pig."
King: "Do you think you are capable to change the world?"
Kaidou: "Of course, I'm the only one that can do it!!!"
Kaidou frees King and the two escape while destroy Punk Hazard facility.
Kaidou: "What is your name?"
King: "Arbel*."
*Translation note: Japanese name is “アルベル” which has different romanizations (Arbel/Aluber/Arbert/Alubel...).
Kaidou: "You are strong boy, you can call yourself “King”!!
Come with me!!
From now on, you will be my right hand!!
Worororororo!!"
Back to the present, Zoro attacks King.
Zoro: "“Rengoku Oni Giri”!!!"
King dodges Zoro's attack and counterattacks.
King: "“Karyuudon” (Imperial Flame Dragon)!!!"
Zoro: "These flames are like magma!!"
Zoro dodges the fire dragon but King attacks him with his sword. Zoro manages to block it but King activates the sword's mechanism and grabs 3 Zoro's swords.
Zoro: "I won't let you take these “Meitou”!!!"
Zoro manages to free his swords and steps away from King. However, Zoro can't see where's King because he's moving at high speed.
Zoro: "He's using his speed!!
So...
I must attack!!
“Yakkoudori” (Bird Dance)!!!"
Zoro manages to dodge King's high-speed kick and counterattacks cutting King's torso vertically. King bleeds. Zoro takes advantage of the situation and keeps attacking King.
King: "So you understood the way my body works!!"
Zoro: "That's right...!! Did you finally realize!? I'm going to defeat you!!"
Even though King's flame is on fire, King now defends himself against Zoro's attacks.
Zoro: "Why don't you receive my attacks... If presumably they don't work against you!?"
Are you afraid? That I can hurt you...!!"
King flies away from Zoro, then he transforms into a Pteranodon.
King: "As a being, your kind (human) can never defeat me!!
Fufufu."
Zoro: "That's the kind of excuse I hate the most!!"
King: "...
I will remember you as swordman with considerable skill."
Zoro: "No. I will be the one to make YOU remember me if you manage to survive this!!"
King: "“Oomori Karyuudon” (Imperial Flame Guardian Dragon - 御守 火龍皇 (おおもり かりゅうどん))!!!"
King creates a larger and more powerful version of his flame dragon to attack Zoro.
Zoro: "“En-ou SANTORYUU*” (King of Hell, Three Dragons Swords - 閻王三刀龍 (えんおう さんとうりゅう))."
“Ippyaku Sanjou Hiryuu Jigoku” (130 Feelings, Flying Dragon Extreme Samurai - 一百三情飛龍侍極 (いっぴゃく さんじょう ひりゅうじごく))!!!"
*Translation note: This time, “Santoryuu” is written with “dragon” kanji (龍) instead of “style” kanji (流). We don't know if it's a typo or the name is correct.
In an AMAZING double page, Zoro uses a technique similar to his “Hiryuu Kaen” (but using his 3 swords at the same time) to attack King. This double page is almost the same as the one we can see when Ryuma kills the dragon in the story “Monsters” from “Wanted!” special Volume.
Zoro cuts in half the giant flame dragon created by King (who is shocked to see it). Then Zoro attacks King squarely with a very powerful cut in his torso, creating some black lightings.
Zoro's attack is so powerful, that he cuts King's sword in two parts and slices King's right wing in half...
End of chapter. Jump break next week.
Bunch of bullshit
Luffy's Conqueror's Haki is dog shit compared to Zoro's.
Zoro's CoC > x1000 Luffy minimim
Zoro's CoA > x1000 Luffy minimum
Luffy's CoO >= Zoro's
Zoro's Max Speed >>> Snakeman
Zoro's AP >>>> Luffy's. Let Luffy tickle Kaido fire before he can scar him much less defeat someone even more durable than Kaido like King
Zoro's Lethality >>> Luffy
Zoro's Endurance >>> Luffy -- Compare Haki + AdvCoC Thundber bagua to Luffy trash one shot by Ragnarok
Zoro's durability >> Luffy
And if that was not enough Zoro has Ashura and three swords
Pocket Knife Zoro low mid diff Luffy
1 Sword Zoro low diff Luffy
2 sword Zoro neg diff Luffy
3 sword Zoro high diff Eos Luffy
Ashura Zoro neg diff EoS Luffy
Luffy's Conqueror's Haki is dog shit compared to Zoro's.
Zoro's CoC > x1000 Luffy minimim
Zoro's CoA > x1000 Luffy minimum
Luffy's CoO >= Zoro's
Zoro's Max Speed >>> Snakeman
Zoro's AP >>>> Luffy's. Let Luffy tickle Kaido fire before he can scar him much less defeat someone even more durable than Kaido like King
Zoro's Lethality >>> Luffy
Zoro's Endurance >>> Luffy -- Compare Haki + AdvCoC Thundber bagua to Luffy trash one shot by Ragnarok
Zoro's durability >> Luffy
And if that was not enough Zoro has Ashura and three swords
Pocket Knife Zoro low mid diff Luffy
1 Sword Zoro low diff Luffy
2 sword Zoro neg diff Luffy
3 sword Zoro high diff Eos Luffy
Ashura Zoro neg diff EoS Luffy
Bro....what
Base Luffy's AP, speed, and mobility are not better than Zoro's. Luffy only moves at properly high speeds when he's in G2 or higher, while Zoro still has his iaijutsu where he moves at very high speeds. I don't even know how you can say BASE Luffy's AP is better than Zoro's...that's insane.
In terms of CoC, Luffy's is probably better but I don't know where you got those numbers from. Zoro's CoA is ~ Luffy's and Luffy's CoO is obviously better.
I've already said I think Luffy is stronger. You trying to push the narrative that Luffy neg/low diffs him will not get you anywhere...you will just have people calling you delusional. And on top of that you're presenting your opinion as a fact...
Base Luffy's AP, speed, and mobility are not better than Zoro's. Luffy only moves at properly high speeds when he's in G2 or higher, while Zoro still has his iaijutsu where he moves at very high speeds. I don't even know how you can say BASE Luffy's AP is better than Zoro's...that's insane.
In terms of CoC, Luffy's is probably better but I don't know where you got those numbers from. Zoro's CoA is ~ Luffy's and Luffy's CoO is obviously better.
I've already said I think Luffy is stronger. You trying to push the narrative that Luffy neg/low diffs him will not get you anywhere...you will just have people calling you delusional. And on top of that you're presenting your opinion as a fact...
Which WG user would you want to punch the most and why is it @MonsterZoro ?
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