Character Discussion Why Kaido is bad written villain?!

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Herrera95

#21
You could compare Kaido himself with other One Piece villains.

Arlong is fighting Sanji and Zoro but only getting harmed by Luffy. Enel too.

Crocodile only getting harmed by Luffy. Lucci too. Moria too. Caesar too. Katakuri...

Even Hody only by Zoro and Luffy.

Doflamingo only by Law and Luffy.

But about the title. It says Strongest CREATURE. We left know if this is considering humans as creatures. Otherwise he is pretty much right, can you tell me one creature that is not human stronger than him? Zunesha? Lunarian? Fishmen? Long Arm Race?
 
#22
Tucker is a great, despicable villain and that's not even an argument. Your opinion had been broken and now it is time for you to admit defeat. :kata:

I am not arguing against the fact that Kaido is poorly written, btw, because that much is true and undeniable. :myman:
I can't even call Tucker as villain, while he is just a guy who commited a criminal
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You could compare Kaido himself with other One Piece villains.

Arlong is fighting Sanji and Zoro but only getting harmed by Luffy. Enel too.

Crocodile only getting harmed by Luffy. Lucci too. Moria too. Caesar too. Katakuri...

Even Hody only by Zoro and Luffy.

Doflamingo only by Law and Luffy.

But about the title. It says Strongest CREATURE. We left know if this is considering humans as creatures. Otherwise he is pretty much right, can you tell me one creature that is not human stronger than him? Zunesha? Lunarian? Fishmen? Long Arm Race?
Weak argument, someone who was hyped like something different from any other pirate could be compared to another pirates?! This is Oda's fault anyway. Plus you can say same thing about Madara. There was a lot of villains, but he was special among others. While right now Kaido didn't even feel as something different.
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How is Kaido weak??
Because he got hurt by high lvl ryou haki and AdCoC
( only handful of the strongest could use)
??

Most of the villains from other series you're mentioning has great hax abilities that allows them to ignore damage, counter it, or simply dodges it. Kaido is not like them, he has raw durability who just tank incoming attacks.
And with all those damage he took, only few of them could severely damage him.

If Madara get hit by a random shiruken without dodging, or using rinnegan, susanoo etc he will be hurt too. Kaido just straight up tanks damage, and he was fine and continue to fight like it was nothing. Idk what "weak" you're referring to.

Or maybe you think Kaido is really weak, that every time he gets hurt he lose 20% of his HP lol.
Imagine Mihawk crying from beign cutted by scrubs
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#29
Kaido either being good villain or not will only be decided from now on

after hundreds of chapters in Wano only now Oda will start to explain his character

about his power lvl, Kaido is about brute Force and being supposedly impossible to kill, as an obstacle that's what we supposed to worry about going into Wano

so was the hype real ? not even close, at least so far

Luffy didn't need to struggle at all to both match his strength and bypass his defense so the hype about him not being able to die was definitely just fake hype

at least that's what it appear to be so far, because many surprises await us in the upcoming chapters
 
#31
So, Crydo the World's Strongest Fraud is gonna be exposed as a fraud in several chapters or so. How you feeling? :milaugh:

Not to mention he think he is joy boy :gokulaugh::gokulaugh:. Luffy or momo or ussop can be next joy boy.

Heck malefor from the legend of Spyro have better hype and more threatening than kaido. Malefor is dragon.

Good thing oda don’t write video game villains like that :goyea:
Shows how poorly written Kaido is, as expected from a fraud. :suresure:
 
#33
So, Crydo the World's Strongest Fraud is gonna be exposed as a fraud in several chapters or so. How you feeling? :milaugh:



Shows how poorly written Kaido is, as expected from a fraud. :suresure:
--Kaido has already proven himself above dogainu who got one shotted by a dying 10% yonko :josad::kobeha::kobeha:

--Lolmirals are confirmed biggest frauds where kaido doesn't consider any of them worthy of challenge (1001) :saden::cantseeme:
 
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#35
wano has been trash in general, so it's only logical that most of it's characters will be trash and hard/impossible to enjoy.

i feel like kaido's character design has been extremely nerfed in wano, starting with his size, to his absence from 97% of the arc, to his fodder level personality, ending up with his embarrassing combat feats, yes he is strong and fast, but when it comes to choreography and the way he fights it's as basic as it could get, that even a broken zoro could parry his swings with absolute ease, you don't even need to be stronger than kaido to defeat him you just need to be faster than him.
oda didn't even try to make him special, he even gave kaido's daughter yamato the same shitty fighting style as him, an embarrassing lack of creativity.

and the screaming and crying every time he gets hit, he was extremely badass the first time he fought luffy in bakura town when he took a gear 4 barrage and only reacted with a sigh. now it looks like a bee sting could make collapse from pain and agony.
 
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Formerly Seth

#40
When you talk about great villains you sure talk about guys like Aizen(Bleach), Madara, Pain, Orochimaru(Naruto), Meruem(Hunter x Hunter). Could Kaido the Strongest be compared to those villains? Short answer is NO!
So what made those villains that good, and Kaido - that bad?
I would say there are two reasons for that:
1. How villain was portraited from the very begining;
2. How powerful villain is in reality of manga;
Now someone would say that Kaido was portraited as some God of War, case he wasn't able even to kill himself, and case of boredom he wanted to start Great War that will involve everyone. And truth is that before Wano Arc it wasn't lie actually, Kaido portation was really simmilar to someone like Madara. But unlike Madara Kaido's glory didn't live to his name. In reality when Kaido was shown first time in Wano he was hitted by base Luffy, not only once, but Luffy litteraly beat him up, and only moment when Kaido one shotted him, saved the day for Kaido.


The bells was already yelling about fact that something going wrong in One Piece. Later we saw how Kiku, Kinemon, Raizo and other scrubs(not Reayleigh, Garp, but random weak characters) cutted Kaido and made him cry. That moment alone ruined Kaido's fake title of strongest. Unlike Whitebeard who was old and sick, and because of that fact weakened, Kaido was in his prime state. But maybe I'm wrong here? Maybe Kaido is great?

Well, let's compare him to Aizen. When we first time saw Aizen he stopped Ichigo attack with one finger, which was impressive case before that Ichigo defeate Byakuya. Later he fought against every captain and managed to defeat em all.


Captains in Bleach world was Strongest, you will never see how some scrubs who is not captain was able to cut Aizen or make him cry. In fact even Ichigo wasn't able to do that, to made him cry from pain.

We can also compare Kaido with Madara, with same result:


Madara was fighting against everyone and only strongest like Kage was able to scratch him. Before that he was fighting against whole army and no scrub was able to hurt him, not even talking about made him cry.

Do I need even talk about Meruem? He was strongest and he defeated the strongest man in Hunter x Hunter. Could you imagine like some bug attack him and made him cry?
But we don't need to go that far. Even Orochimaru was be able to be hurted only by strongest, or in his weakenest form by Sasuke, case he was close to death, don't even try to say that Kaido's dragon form is his weakest form. Kaido is not in dead state in that form, he is still strong.

Now ofcourse you can say that to be shown as strongest is not the thing that made villains great, but truth is that aside of that Kaido didn't not have a thing that could made him great character, or great villain.
Aizen was crazy scientist whose great schemes made him strongest creature in the World, it was something that he was aiming for. He manipulated everyone and was shown as true genius.
Madara? He was real God of War and even when he lose to his strongest opponent he find the way to became even stronger. He has dream and he was aiming for it, also he was beyond everyone else, case he was talking to every one like to children who don't know how real world works. He was cool and calm, and nothing could stay in his way.
Meruem? He was born as strongest, and we saw how King's guard was shown weaker then him, that was even beyond question. Pitou alone made us feel that s/he was stronger that every character that we saw, except Netero. While Meruem was real genius he was able to learn and adapt to any opponent of situation. So even his last fight he used to became stronger, that was mistake, but using bomb is not really fair way to win the battle.


Kaido is nothing like that. Even when he was younger he won only case use hostage. Still he is called Strongest, but he is not in the end. False legend, fake character...fake villain, that could never be compared to real great villains.
Kaido's problem comes from being overhyped tbh.

I don't know if people realize how simply written all Yonko are.

Big Mom; I want Disneyland.

Kaido: I want grand requiem finale.

Whitebeard: I want a family.

Shanks: I want balance?


From the looks of it they were never meant to be some incredibly written characters, the most hype about them are clearly their power level and from the backstory it's mostly what we find out about the world thru them. They are not as relevant even in their flashbacks.

All their flashbacks do is to show to us how much wider the world around out Main cast is.
 
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