• Let's say No old hag was there what do u think you will say that fight's diff was :
• Extreme diff ?
• High diff ?
• Mid diff ?
well let's establish somethings first here :
1° Kaido wasn't at his peak at that time and even Oden said to him to get stronger while the latter reached his prime and couldn't make enma a black blade :
Oden couldn't beat Kaido that casually or overpower him like some ppl claiming it to be two shots :
this is him being Furious with intent to kill because toki was injured :
2° we shouldn't care about Kaido using hybrid or not since Beast pirates use all of the forms to fight which kills the notion of hybrid form being the best / ultimate form to fight check King who used all of his forms to fight Zoro or Queen showing better feats with Beast form than Hybrid form and this is especially with Kaido who used Base form to tank Gear 4th + yamato hits and Dragon form to fight Momo and Luffy but in 1 vs 1 it's still a good form to use but all in all we shouldn't make headcanons like Kaido not using hybrid against Oden while the fight offpaneled and Kaido switches forms himself to his liking :
3° Oden without Old hag was about to win that fight which shouldn't be questioned by anyone even Kaido claimed he had be losing that fight without the hag , he even has a PTSD from that fight :
i hope you focus on these three last things which are very important :
4° that fight was about Oden vs Kaido no other ones got involved so ppl won't say a shit like it's Kaido + someone else since the title speaks for that :
5° Oden would won that fight but he had the power to defeat him but not to kill him even Oden said this after saying he would kill him :
he said he would kill him firstly and used his strongest attack Togen totsuka :
after trying his attack he said :
<< never come back to wano >>
which kills the notion he had the strength to kill him
and this is also agreed with what the narrator said which should be true and never gets questioned :
<< No one can / could kill him even himself despite those 7 Ls >>
6° Despite Oden winning that fight without old hag's interference we have to mention something :
× That fight lasted longer :
× Oden was at his limit against Kaido and was greatly damaged , you can check him shivering / quivering after boro breath :
× And what would confirm this point is what happened when Kaido attacked with a simple no named club attack while oden got distracted he couldn't stand up and fainted afterwards even Kinemon endured a stronger club attack Don't tell me Kinemon got better endurance than Oden :
× Dude is an endurance beast and was known for that since wano started this with WB testing him to see if he could join him or not or that legendary hour event :
° So the only conclusion we have here is Prime Oden would barely win that fight against No prime No Yonko Kaido he would be at limit with what shown .
So i think without Old Hag , Prime Oden would defeat No Prime Kaido with extreme difficulty while barely standing and at his limit .
• Another Notion :
as the VC mentioned Kaido and Oden had the same age when they fought 38 years old while oden reached his prime at that time Kaido wasn't but even if we give him time it would be at most 4 years and he would reach his prime like WB who reached it at that time so No prime Kaido at 38 years old should be at 75% to 80% of his prime strength and this is me giving a great benefit of doubt it can be above that .
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• Extreme diff ?
• High diff ?
• Mid diff ?
well let's establish somethings first here :
1° Kaido wasn't at his peak at that time and even Oden said to him to get stronger while the latter reached his prime and couldn't make enma a black blade :
this is him being Furious with intent to kill because toki was injured :
2° we shouldn't care about Kaido using hybrid or not since Beast pirates use all of the forms to fight which kills the notion of hybrid form being the best / ultimate form to fight check King who used all of his forms to fight Zoro or Queen showing better feats with Beast form than Hybrid form and this is especially with Kaido who used Base form to tank Gear 4th + yamato hits and Dragon form to fight Momo and Luffy but in 1 vs 1 it's still a good form to use but all in all we shouldn't make headcanons like Kaido not using hybrid against Oden while the fight offpaneled and Kaido switches forms himself to his liking :
3° Oden without Old hag was about to win that fight which shouldn't be questioned by anyone even Kaido claimed he had be losing that fight without the hag , he even has a PTSD from that fight :
i hope you focus on these three last things which are very important :
4° that fight was about Oden vs Kaido no other ones got involved so ppl won't say a shit like it's Kaido + someone else since the title speaks for that :
5° Oden would won that fight but he had the power to defeat him but not to kill him even Oden said this after saying he would kill him :
he said he would kill him firstly and used his strongest attack Togen totsuka :
after trying his attack he said :
<< never come back to wano >>
which kills the notion he had the strength to kill him
<< No one can / could kill him even himself despite those 7 Ls >>
6° Despite Oden winning that fight without old hag's interference we have to mention something :
× That fight lasted longer :
× Oden was at his limit against Kaido and was greatly damaged , you can check him shivering / quivering after boro breath :
× And what would confirm this point is what happened when Kaido attacked with a simple no named club attack while oden got distracted he couldn't stand up and fainted afterwards even Kinemon endured a stronger club attack Don't tell me Kinemon got better endurance than Oden :
× Dude is an endurance beast and was known for that since wano started this with WB testing him to see if he could join him or not or that legendary hour event :
So i think without Old Hag , Prime Oden would defeat No Prime Kaido with extreme difficulty while barely standing and at his limit .
• Another Notion :
as the VC mentioned Kaido and Oden had the same age when they fought 38 years old while oden reached his prime at that time Kaido wasn't but even if we give him time it would be at most 4 years and he would reach his prime like WB who reached it at that time so No prime Kaido at 38 years old should be at 75% to 80% of his prime strength and this is me giving a great benefit of doubt it can be above that .
Thanks for reading
