Avatar Powerscaling Thread

[Zara]

Let's discuss the powerscaling in the Avatar universe.

@LANJI CUCKSMOKE @Fujishiro @Thururuzao @Seth @RayanOO @Flower @anyone else who's watched this show


For starters, who is the strongest bender in each of the elements? Avatars are excluded from this question for obvious reasons. Here's my list:

Fire:

I'd say Ozai is the firebender who impressed me the most. The flames he was generating during his final fight were extremely huge. The speed at which he creates lighting is far faster than Azula and Iroh. Iroh admitted himself that he's not sure if he can beat Ozai. Ozai also completely dominated (pre-Avatar state obviously) Aang even though Aang had a good grasp on all four elements at the time which is very impressive. The show creators also said Ozai is the strongest firebender when the finale first aired in an Extras bit.


Water:

Giving this one to Yakone. He was able to bloodbend an entire room of like 30 people (including the Avatar and Toph) without any body movement, I'd say that is the most impressive non-Avatar feat in the entire series. He also trained Tarrlok and Amon and turned them both into master waterbenders and master bloodbenders at an extremely young age. I can't really see how any other waterbender compares to Yakone in all honesty. All of Tarrlok and Amon's water/blood bending feats scale to Yakone.


Earth:

Going to have to go with Toph. She was taught by the original earth bending masters. Her seismic sense ability is very overpowered and Aang, Lin, and Su were never as good at seismic sensing as Toph. She invented metal bending. She was able to knock Kuvira's troops and mechas to the ground with one move, and despite Kuvira outnumbered Toph by a large amount of soliders and mecha, Kuvira was too afraid to challenge Toph and allowed Toph and her allies to escape.


Air:

Giving this one to Tenzin. When you see Tenzin and Zaheer racing to the top of the temple, you can see how Tenzin is using more impressive airbending than Zaheer and can jump far higher with a single move. Zaheer was unable to land a single blow on Tenzin while Tenzin clearly had the upper hand throughout their entire fight. The fight was so one sided that the other Red Lotus members had to join in and jump Tenzin because Zaheer was on the verge of defeat. It's an extremely impressive feat because Zaheer is a really strong fighter, Zaheer defeated Kya and Tonraq who are both water bending masters and Zaheer defeated a countless amount of White Lotus members and yet he was still outclassed by Tenzin.

I do think Jinora is going to end up being the greatest Airbending master of all time when she gets older though, surpassing Tenzin. Jinora is the youngest airbending master of all time, getting her tattoos even before Aang did. Jinora is the only person who can perform spiritual projection. And that large tornado that Jinora and Opal created together that held off Kuvira's entire army is a really impressive feat. She comes across as more of an air bending prodigy then Aang and Tenzin did.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

nah yakone was a great bloodbender but katara was the better waterbender
not only could she bloodbend but in terms of using it in battle
to heal
and much more
katara was much more versatile
yakone was a specialist.

and yeah tenzin is the greatest air bender in combat
maybe aang would have been a match in his prime but we didnt get to see much of it in korra
personal headcanon is tenzin was extremely similar to his dad.


I'll concede on ozai but still think its azula due to my bias lol.

 

[Fujishiro]

Let's discuss the powerscaling in the Avatar universe.

@Wanji CUCKSMOKE @Fujishiro @Thururuzao @Seth @RayanOO @Flower @anyone else who's watched this show


For starters, who is the strongest bender in each of the elements? Avatars are excluded from this question for obvious reasons. Here's my list:

Fire:

I'd say Ozai is the firebender who impressed me the most. The flames he was generating during his final fight were extremely huge. The speed at which he creates lighting is far faster than Azula and Iroh. Iroh admitted himself that he's not sure if he can beat Ozai. Ozai also completely dominated (pre-Avatar state obviously) Aang even though Aang had a good grasp on all four elements at the time which is very impressive. The show creators also said Ozai is the strongest firebender when the finale first aired in an Extras bit.


Water:

Giving this one to Yakone. He was able to bloodbend an entire room of like 30 people (including the Avatar and Toph) without any body movement, I'd say that is the most impressive non-Avatar feat in the entire series. He also trained Tarrlok and Amon and turned them both into master waterbenders and master bloodbenders at an extremely young age. I can't really see how any other waterbender compares to Yakone in all honesty. All of Tarrlok and Amon's water/blood bending feats scale to Yakone.


Earth:

Going to have to go with Toph. She was taught by the original earth bending masters. Her seismic sense ability is very overpowered and Aang, Lin, and Su were never as good at seismic sensing as Toph. She invented metal bending. She was able to knock Kuvira's troops and mechas to the ground with one move, and despite Kuvira outnumbered Toph by a large amount of soliders and mecha, Kuvira was too afraid to challenge Toph and allowed Toph and her allies to escape.


Air:

Giving this one to Tenzin. When you see Tenzin and Zaheer racing to the top of the temple, you can see how Tenzin is using more impressive airbending than Zaheer and can jump far higher with a single move. Zaheer was unable to land a single blow on Tenzin while Tenzin clearly had the upper hand throughout their entire fight. The fight was so one sided that the other Red Lotus members had to join in and jump Tenzin because Zaheer was on the verge of defeat. It's an extremely impressive feat because Zaheer is a really strong fighter, Zaheer defeated Kya and Tonraq who are both water bending masters and Zaheer defeated a countless amount of White Lotus members and yet he was still outclassed by Tenzin.

I do think Jinora is going to end up being the greatest Airbending master of all time when she gets older though, surpassing Tenzin. Jinora is the youngest airbending master of all time, getting her tattoos even before Aang did. Jinora is the only person who can perform spiritual projection. And that large tornado that Jinora and Opal created together that held off Kuvira's entire army is a really impressive feat. She comes across as more of an air bending prodigy then Aang and Tenzin did.

I think Hamaja is strong yes but you gotta remember that Makalakimo cornered him that one time near the mist village, It required the help of many Earth Wardens ( Who were Makalakimo's hard counter) to barely drive him away. It cant be that easy to become a Storm Lord imo and I think Hamaja has the potential to get there but right now I still have Makalakimo above him.

I rate Hamaja at the level of a Thunder Paragon, which is to say he would probably be able to match Storm Lord level characters like Makalakimo but would always come out short.

But then again, I haven't fully caught up to the series so maybe you're right man. We'll see.

Please don't spoil me on further events.​

 

[Calypso]

Water: without doubt Katara. She got the whole package with healing, fighting and even bloodbending. Yakone was very skilful too thought but he didn't showed more in the show except his bloodbending. I adore Amon too.. but Katakri got it all.

Earth: Toph. No other words needed. Even if Sujin comes close to her mom in my opinion - Toph will always be the best earthbender of all time.

Fire: Ozai or Azula. Azula got a lot of potential but her past and stuff destroyed her career a bit. I know she appears in the comics again but I sadly didn't read them yet to say more about it.

Air: Zaheer or Tenzin. Both are really strong but I liked Zaheer more. Despite not being an air bender the whole time he was ao badass compared to Tenzin who got trained by his dad since a very young age.​

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

tenzen

 

[Fujishiro]

Hamaja

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

lol whats hamaja

 

[Calypso]

tenzen

Let's not forget the real goat

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Water: without doubt Katara. She got the whole package with healing, fighting and even bloodbending. Yakone was very skilful too thought but he didn't showed more in the show except his bloodbending. I adore Amon too.. but Katakri got it all.

Earth: Toph. No other words needed. Even if Sujin comes close to her mom in my opinion - Toph will always be the best earthbender of all time.

Fire: Ozai or Azula. Azula got a lot of potential but her past and stuff destroyed her career a bit. I know she appears in the comics again but I sadly didn't read them yet to say more about it.

Air: Zaheer or Tenzin. Both are really strong but I liked Zaheer more. Despite not being an air bender the whole time he was ao badass compared to Tenzin who got trained by his dad since a very young age.​

basically my list

 

[Fujishiro]

lol whats hamaja

And you call yourself an Avatar fan???? Read my opening post.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

And you call yourself an Avatar fan???? Read my opening post.

sorry its been years
i forgot about him

 

[Zara]

Just remembered that @Dragomir is an Avatar fan so tagging him as well.

I think Hamaja is strong yes but you gotta remember that Makalakimo corenered him that one time near the mist village, It required the help of many Earth Wardens ( Who were Makalakimo's hard counter) to barely drive him away. It cant be that easy to become a Storm Lord imo and I think Hamaja has the potential to get there but right now I still have Makalakimo above him.

I rate Hamaja at the level of a Thunder Paragon, which is to say he would probably be able to match Storm Lord level characters like Makalakimo but would always come out short.

But then again, I haven't fully caught up to the series so maybe you're right man. We'll see.

Please don't spoil me on further events.​

nah yakone was a great bloodbender but katara was the better waterbender
not only could she bloodbend but in terms of using it in battle
to heal
and much more
katara was much more versatile
yakone was a specialist.

I'll concede that Yakone/Amon/Tarrlok have not showed any proof of healing. Though I'm not sure what other versatility that Katara has shown outside of healing that Katara has shown that Yakone or his sons have not shown. Can you give me an example?

and yeah tenzin is the greatest air bender in combat
maybe aang would have been a match in his prime but we didnt get to see much of it in korra
personal headcanon is tenzin was extremely similar to his dad.

Agreed.

What do you think about what I said in my previous post about Jinora surpassing both Aang and Tenzin one day? She seems to be a bigger prodigy than either of them.

I'll concede on ozai but still think its azula due to my bias lol.

Here's a comparison of how Azula ranks against fighters on Iroh/Ozai's level. Iroh came in between Azula and Zuko and redirected Azula's lightning. Now one could argue that Azula was caught off guard at that point, and I'd agree that she was caught off guard. Though I feel like after Iroh redirected the lightning, the off guard excuse can't be used anymore and that it's a fair 1v1 fight at that point. And then we see Iroh just kick her off the ship easily so yeah after this scene I became convinced that there is a big gap between Azula and Iroh/Ozai.

Though to be fair to Azula, she was really young and is quite the prodigy so I can definitely see her surpassing her uncle and father if she remained mentally healthy and reached her prime. Azula always seemed as prodigious as Toph and we saw how powerful Toph ended up becoming in The Legend of Korra.

 

[Fujishiro]

sorry its been years
i forgot about him

You are forgiven <3, have fun guys!

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

Fire: Ozai, Azula, Iroh and Sozin are my top 4. I feel like Ozai is slightly above Iroh, and I think Azula definitely had the potential to surpass Ozai, but went insane too early in life. I don't remember if Sozin has any feats, but he should be up there by portrayal. In destructive ability, Sparky Sparky Boom Man and Zaheer's tall girlfriend are up there.

Water: Katara and Yakone. Katara should be the most versatile waterbender in history, but I wish we got a flashback of Prime Katara.

Air: Tenzin is the master, but Zaheer is also up there. If Zaheer had proper training, he would be 1. Jinora may surpass Tenzin.

Earth: Toph. Not only did she invent metal bending, she also wasn't much weaker than Bumi when she was 12. Peak Toph >> Bumi.

 

[Dragomir]

Ozai's feats are a little skewed since they came during Sozin's comet which greatly buffs every single firebender. Going off the fact that he was the main villain, I'd say he would be stronger than Iroh. But I'm not sure if he's stronger than prime Zuko. Granted, we haven't seen prime Zuko in action.

Yakkone would be the best bloodblender, but for strictly waterbending, that's Katara hands down.

Toph's the strongest earthbender and it's really not even close.

For airbenders, during their fight, Tenzin > Zaheer I agree, but later on, Zaheer got stronger and the man mastered airbender to the point where he could fly. I'm not sure at that point, Tenzin's still stronger. I also don't think Tenzin's stronger than Aang.

 

[Fujishiro]

Fire: Charizard

Water: Greninja

Air: Staraptor

Earth: Nidoking

..... I'll see myself out.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Just remembered that @Dragomir is an Avatar fan so tagging him as well.

I'll concede that Yakone/Amon/Tarrlok have not showed any proof of healing. Though I'm not sure what other versatility that Katara has shown outside of healing that Katara has shown that Yakone or his sons have not shown. Can you give me an example?



Agreed.

What do you think about what I said in my previous post about Jinora surpassing both Aang and Tenzin one day? She seems to be a bigger prodigy than either of them.





Here's a comparison of how Azula ranks against fighters on Iroh/Ozai's level. Iroh came in between Azula and Zuko and redirected Azula's lightning. Now one could argue that Azula was caught off guard at that point, and I'd agree that she was caught off guard. Though I feel like after Iroh redirected the lightning, the off guard excuse can't be used anymore and that it's a fair 1v1 fight at that point. And then we see Iroh just kick her off the ship easily so yeah after this scene I became convinced that there is a big gap between Azula and Iroh/Ozai.

Though to be fair to Azula, she was really young and is quite the prodigy so I can definitely see her surpassing her uncle and father if she remained mentally healthy and reached her prime. Azula always seemed as prodigious as Toph and we saw how powerful Toph ended up becoming in The Legend of Korra.

healing is most of it
turning sweat drops / little bits of water into shards of ice was another , you see some of it with in her daughter here
but when I say she is more versatile its because she was able to fight againt
yakone and his sons didnt do much but bloondbend
amon had that moment where he came out of the river but aside from that I dont recall any other bit of waterbending he did.

jinora uuuh
tbh I forgot about little details like that
we will prob never know

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Water: Amon

Katara's shown by and far the best straight up water bending back in Book 3 of Avatar. None of the trick opponents in Legend of Korra sniffs Book 3 Katara's mastery or sheer scale of water bending. If we're judgingly off the pure skill and power in that field, Katara takes it and whoever comes in 2nd place isn't much of a challenge for Katara to beat.

But blood bending is a thing. And there's really only one guy who can get that title. Amon was able to bloodbend like his father, in any condition what so ever. And unlike his father, as far as I recall, Amon didn't have to make any gestures to bloodbend. He overpowered Tarlok's bloodbending — lowkey a beastly feat that already puts him over his father — with nothing but his grasp on bloodbending itself.

If we were judging strictly off water, Katara is easily the top of the top. But, in any battle or confrontation, a bloodbender beats a master waterbender. Even if Amon's waterbending feats are pretty subpar.


Earth: Toph Beifong

So the only straight up earth bender who can compare to Toph is Bumi at age 112. And, honestly, Bumi vs Avatar Toph is very debatable even with metal bending coming into the equation. But the fact Toph grows and matures past her 12 year old self and further develops her metal bending in the comics (and I guess Legend of Korra) really makes it a no brainer. Kuvira is a close 3rd place after Bumi because she's the most impressive metal bender in the series, but Toph's rivalling Bumi in earth bending and is plenty comfortable as a metal bender. She's got the best of both worlds.

Ghazan/Bolin are pretty up there too because Lava Bending OP but I'm honestly very unimpressed with the earth element in Legend of Korra. It's underutilized and ineffective, whereas you can easily make a case for it being the best of the elements in Avatar.

Fire: Ozai

IIRC in the supplementary material covering Iroh and Ozai's younger years, Ozai was the stronger of the two back then as well. They seem rather close in proficiency but Ozai's full of raw power. Comparing Azula/Zuko's bending pre/post Sozin's comet and we can see that it's a boost but not some massive multiplier. Ozai's fire was outrageously large during the comet so that indicates his regular fire bending is going to be massive too. He is able to create lightning larger than any seen in Avatar or Legend of Korra the second the Eclipse begins to end—not fully over but the first fraction of the Sun that can be seen. Likewise he's the fastest repeat user of lightning on top of having the largest lightning bending attacks out there.

Only advantage Iroh has is lightning deflection which, in an honest 1v1 where both opponents are fully aware of one another's capabilities, never comes into play. Ozai can beat Iroh with straight fire bending. Combustionbending seems OP too but I don't think that's any better than strong lightning attacks.

Air: Tenzin

Big difference between Tenzin and Zaheer is experience vs philosophy. Zaheer unlocked a higher level of air bending purely because he had the right mindset after P'li died. Tenzin, when directly fighting Zaheer, was pushing Zaheer around and constantly on the up and up. Zaheer was also hailed as someone who could take down any bender IIRC and that was before he unlocked air bending. Tenzin effectively beat a master martial artist with airbending, who also happened to be a student of airbending philosophies.

 

[Zara]

Yakkone would be the best bloodblender, but for strictly waterbending, that's Katara hands down.

Blood bending at the end of the day is just someone water bending the water inside another person's body, it's not something like lightning bending that has no correlation to fire bending. That's why I think that the best blood bender is automatically the best water bender.

Yakone's blood bending court house scene is really just him water bending the water inside a large amount of people with his mind at the end of the day, and I don't think that's something Katara could ever do.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

also am sure if katara morally was as corrupt as yakone
wouldnt be farfetched to think she would learn to bloodbend close to that extent as well.