Avatar Powerscaling Thread

[Dragomir]

Something that knocks Ozai down a little for me is this part when Zuko confronted him:

Ozai using two lightning moves attacks Zuko, whose lightning-bending mastery should be far weaker, but got his shit redirected and overpowered. You could argue he underestimated Zuko which is fair. What's nice about that scene though is how he literally sensed the sun and knew his firebending was back which was dope.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Yeah, can't power scale Avatar when I skipped like 80% of the show. Need to rewatch it so I can scales properly.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Something that knocks Ozai down a little for me is this part when Zuko confronted him:

Ozai using two lightning moves attacks Zuko, whose lightning-bending mastery should be far weaker, but got his shit redirected and overpowered. You could argue he underestimated Zuko which is fair. What's nice about that scene though is how he literally sensed the sun and knew his firebending was back which was dope.

I don't believe Ozai encountered lighting deflection before this. It was strictly an Iroh skill. If anything, this shows how dangerous Ozai is.

 

[Cross_Marian]

Iroh is the strongest Tearbender

 

[Dragomir]

Blood bending at the end of the day is just someone water bending the water inside another person's body, it's not something like lightning bending that has no correlation to fire bending. That's why I think that the best blood bender is automatically the best water bender.

Yakone's blood bending court house scene is really just him water bending the water inside a large amount of people with his mind at the end of the day, and I don't think that's something Katara could ever do.

I understand that logic, but I feel like you have specifically train for blood blending to become that skilled at it. Simply mastering waterbending isn't enough. I don't see Yakkone turning water into mist like Katara did while fighting Azula. The way I view the different subsets of bending is that they're branches of the main part. Being a great bender at that subset doesn't make equally great at the main part.

 

[Calypso]

Fire: Charizard

Water: Greninja

Air: Staraptor

Earth: Nidoking

..... I'll see myself out.

 

[Dragomir]

I don't believe Ozai encountered lighting deflection before this. It was strictly an Iroh skill. If anything, this shows how dangerous Ozai is.

You don't think Iroh would have tried to teach him or he saw Iroh doing it? I find it hard to believe that as strong as he is, he doesn't know how to redirect lightning.

 

[Calypso]

You don't think Iroh would have tried to teach him or he saw Iroh doing it? I find it hard to believe that as strong as he is, he doesn't know how to redirect lightning.

I don't think the brothers had the best relationship.
They didn't even met in the entire series and Ozai didn't seemed to care about Iroh.
Since Iroh invented the skill by himself i don't think that he teaches it his goddam awful brother​

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

You don't think Iroh would have tried to teach him or he saw Iroh doing it? I find it hard to believe that as strong as he is, he doesn't know how to redirect lightning.

Why is that hard to believe?

Lightning redirection is an ability that comes from studying the movements of waterbendings, learning from them and utilizing it for fire bending purposes. It requires a degree of respect for other bending styles to even humor. I can't honestly see Iroh ever being in a scenario where this ability is used in front of Ozai or a scenario where Ozai humors his brother and is willingly lectured on the intricacies of waterbending movement.

We also pretty much get confirmation of this when Aang is about to redirect Ozai's lightning at him. Ozai looks stunned and afraid, if he could redirect it himself I'm sure he'd be far less impacted.

 

[Topi Jerami]

I really liked Avatar and I remember kept rewatching it on TV. The TV kept repeating the series, morning and evening.
Don't know more than half of the names being mentioned here though. Are they from Korra?
Korra really sucks compared to the Legend of Aang.

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

You don't think Iroh would have tried to teach him or he saw Iroh doing it? I find it hard to believe that as strong as he is, he doesn't know how to redirect lightning.

Iroh invented the technique after studying master waterbenders iirc, there's no way Ozai would use a technique based off another bending style.

 

[Dragomir]

Prime Azula would no doubt in my mind be the strongest firebender.

I honestly feel like if Aang had Azula's mindset, he'd be top 3 as one of the strongest benders with just airbending alone. Not even using the other 3.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

In the course of the next centuries, the Fire Nation rediscovered the method of lightning generation. It remained an incredibly rare skill, usually reserved for the inner circles of Fire Nation royalty and high-ranking military officers.[6] By the end of the Hundred Year War, the only firebenders who had demonstrated the ability to generate lightning were Princess Azula, Iroh, and Fire Lord Ozai.

So yeah. I really can't see a scenario where Iroh is being attacked with lightning whilst having some semblance of a relationship with his brother or for him to willingly give this out to Ozai.

 

[Topi Jerami]

From my memory, Ozai > Azula.
Even in the end, didn't Zuko rivalled (if not surpassed) Azula already?

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

From my memory, Ozai > Azula.
Even in the end, didn't Zuko rivalled (if not surpassed) Azula already?

Azula would clap Zuko normally, her entire fighting style revolves around her intelligence and outplaying her opponents. In a mentally shattered place where she's not thinking far ahead at all, it's no shock that a post-dragon training Zuko could stalemate her for awhile.

IMO she's 3rd strongest of all time, with P'Li maybe being able to surpass her.

In the comics, she also learned lightning redirection. So Zuko's one shot at winning is down the drain.

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

What are your guys thoughts on Ming-Hua and Ghazan? Imo, they're definitely up there. Ming-Hua has such an unique fighting style, and lavabending is hella powerful.

 

[Topi Jerami]

Azula would clap Zuko normally, her entire fighting style revolves around her intelligence and outplaying her opponents. In a mentally shattered place where she's not thinking far ahead at all, it's no shock that a post-dragon training Zuko could stalemate her for awhile.

IMO she's 3rd strongest of all time, with P'Li maybe being able to surpass her.

Who is P'li? Character from Korra?

Azura was dope. I remember the night (if my memory is right) where she led the army that made Earth Nation surrendered. Iirc Azula also knocked Aang out in that battle. The losing war which ended book 2.

While iirc, book 1 ended with winning battle, right? Fire Nation attacked Water Tribe, led by Admiral Zhao but they ended up losing.
Didn't Aang accidentally kill Admiral Zhao?

 

[Dragomir]

I understand that logic, but I feel like you have specifically train for blood blending to become that skilled at it. Simply mastering waterbending isn't enough. I don't see Yakkone turning water into mist like Katara did while fighting Azula. The way I view the different subsets of bending is that they're branches of the main part. Being a great bender at that subset doesn't make equally great at the main part.

@Zara to further add, lava bending is basically bending a ton of melted rock. But being able to lava bend doesn't make you equally great as an earth bender.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

What are your guys thoughts on Ming-Hua and Ghazan? Imo, they're definitely up there. Ming-Hua has such an unique fighting style, and lavabending is hella powerful.

Waterbenders:

1. Amon
2. Yakone
3. Tarrlock
4. Katara
5. Unolock
6. Ming Hua
7. Eska
8. Desna

Ming Hua is pretty solid. Very skilled given she was born without arms and she's a very agile bender. But Unolock was displaying some impressive waterbending IIRC, I'm not gonna double check because Book 2 of Legends of Korra is absolutely cursed.

Earthbenders:

1. Toph
2. Bumi
3. Kuvira
4. Bolin
5. Ghazan
6. Suyin
7. Lin

I think lava bending is pretty good. Very OP. Definitely better than anything apart from the very apex of the other two styles of earthbending. Bumi was able to toss around factories and the earth under them during the Day of the Black Sun and Kuvira's metalbending always impressed me a lot. She mixes martial arts and boxing very well to incapacitate her opponents.

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

Who is P'li? Character from Korra?

She is. She has the same powers as Combustion Man. She shows up in Book 3 of Korra(which is the best Korra season imo).

While iirc, book 1 ended with winning battle, right? Fire Nation attacked Water Tribe, led by Admiral Zhao but they ended up losing.
Didn't Aang accidentally kill Admiral Zhao?

Aang accidentally killed a bunch of Fire Nation troops during the end of book 1 lmao, including Zhao(who's a snoozefest compared to Azula and Ozai_.

@Zara to further add, lava bending is basically bending a ton of melted rock. But being able to lava bend doesn't make you equally great as an earth bender.

Bolin used lavabending, didn't he? I think you just need both fire and earth ancestry in order to use it