Questions & Mysteries The State of ZKK - Year of the Tiger - The Birth of Zoro

Did your perspective change after reading this?

  • Yes

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Yes a little

    Votes: 3 5.7%
  • Maybe...

    Votes: 3 5.7%
  • Nope but i might if Oda made Zoro do something else

    Votes: 3 5.7%
  • ZKK - This is the way

    Votes: 27 50.9%
  • ZKK OR Oda a Failure!

    Votes: 7 13.2%
  • No.

    Votes: 10 18.9%

  • Total voters
    53
#24
You forget one important thing. Oda gave Enma to Zoro which is nerfing him through all the raid. He clearly says at 1033 that he was holding back because of it.

And Zoro has RYOU since Alabasta.
I didn't forget about Enma. And Enma is not a Nerf its a double edged Sword that can output so much power by draining Zoro's Haki. But once Zoro gets used to it is no longer a "Dangerous Sword". And Zoro wasn't always holding back at least not against Kaido with the attacks that did hurt or missed.

As for the Ryou from Alabasta yes but he wasn't able to fully control at that time. Since he himself was saying he needed to be able to draw that power at will twice after Alabasta. But coming from the time skip he was easily cutting steel likes its nothing. I don't know about the internal destruction part yet. But from chapter 1001 he was the only one that wasn't surprised by that Haki. "So that was the Haki luffy was talking about, Official translation = Was that the Haki Luffy talked about?"

There are so many things and details we all could keep going forever. :milaugh:
 
#26
I didn't forget about Enma. And Enma is not a Nerf its a double edged Sword that can output so much power by draining Zoro's Haki. But once Zoro gets used to it is no longer a "Dangerous Sword". And Zoro wasn't always holding back at least not against Kaido with the attacks that did hurt or missed.

As for the Ryou from Alabasta yes but he wasn't able to fully control at that time. Since he himself was saying he needed to be able to draw that power at will twice after Alabasta. But coming from the time skip he was easily cutting steel likes its nothing. I don't know about the internal destruction part yet. But from chapter 1001 he was the only one that wasn't surprised by that Haki. "So that was the Haki luffy was talking about, Official translation = Was that the Haki Luffy talked about?"

There are so many things and details we all could keep going forever. :milaugh:
Interesting take I fel zoro was holding back on the roof as he said in 1033 he would stop trying to stabilize his haki and exude it at the level needed constantly he even takes into account that it would kill him all that being said I don’t think he would go full blown on the roof as he wouldn’t have wanted to be killed by the blade, up there it would of been a hinderance he wouldn’t have been able to protect his captain or anything no different than Kidd or law holding back awakening until now it would of led to a massive defeat on the roof if everyone went all out then I could be wrong with this take but yea that’s how I felt
 
#28
Interesting take I fel zoro was holding back on the roof as he said in 1033 he would stop trying to stabilize his haki and exude it at the level needed constantly he even takes into account that it would kill him all that being said I don’t think he would go full blown on the roof as he wouldn’t have wanted to be killed by the blade, up there it would of been a hinderance he wouldn’t have been able to protect his captain or anything no different than Kidd or law holding back awakening until now it would of led to a massive defeat on the roof if everyone went all out then I could be wrong with this take but yea that’s how I felt
Well yh no one wants to die even Luffy was holding back from using G4 too much. That can also be said for any character in the series. The sword is making the user exert more Haki than what is possible to my knowledge. So yh i do agree on your take.

ZKK already happened. Zoro killed King. Let's move on. Zoro is done.
ZKK might not happen. But if you really think Zoro is done for the arc. I am sorry but you need reread Wano again.
 
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Herrera95

#33
Interesting take I fel zoro was holding back on the roof as he said in 1033 he would stop trying to stabilize his haki and exude it at the level needed constantly he even takes into account that it would kill him all that being said I don’t think he would go full blown on the roof as he wouldn’t have wanted to be killed by the blade, up there it would of been a hinderance he wouldn’t have been able to protect his captain or anything no different than Kidd or law holding back awakening until now it would of led to a massive defeat on the roof if everyone went all out then I could be wrong with this take but yea that’s how I felt
I agree about Zoro holding back most of the time. But he unleashed his all on Ashura. It makes no sense not giving your all at Rooftop. Luffy and Zoro gave their all and probably Killer too. Kid and Law not doing that is just stupidity. They are facing Yonkos, they should be dead if they didn't their all. Makes literally no sense not giving their all at rooftop but then using it here when they don't have the same number advantage.
 
#35
I agree about Zoro holding back most of the time. But he unleashed his all on Ashura. It makes no sense not giving your all at Rooftop. Luffy and Zoro gave their all and probably Killer too. Kid and Law not doing that is just stupidity. They are facing Yonkos, they should be dead if they didn't their all. Makes literally no sense not giving their all at rooftop but then using it here when they don't have the same number advantage.
well with ashura sure that makes sense but it still was the limit of his ability with 30 or so boken bones so we get the coc release etc but there was still limitations to the attack at least thats how i view it...as far as luffy goes if he bust out a new gear or form in the 1v1 with kaido then he was holding back as well the only way we can say he wasn't is if he awakens and ofcourse that would be new to him but in terms of a new form or gear it could have even more severe drawbacks than gear 4th so luffy chose not to use it then on the roof maybe its a last measure type of thing like kid and law awakening which to me makes some sense as to why they didn't use it on the roof as they valued there numbers over trying awakening right then and there
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This year is Luffy's year per Oda words himself
"Focus on Luffy"

2017 : Sanji's
2022 : Luffy's

Zoro doesn't have a year dedicated to him
zkk happens all the same even in luffy year
 
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Herrera95

#38
well with ashura sure that makes sense but it still was the limit of his ability with 30 or so boken bones so we get the coc release etc but there was still limitations to the attack at least thats how i view it...as far as luffy goes if he bust out a new gear or form in the 1v1 with kaido then he was holding back as well the only way we can say he wasn't is if he awakens and ofcourse that would be new to him but in terms of a new form or gear it could have even more severe drawbacks than gear 4th so luffy chose not to use it then on the roof maybe its a last measure type of thing like kid and law awakening which to me makes some sense as to why they didn't use it on the roof as they valued there numbers over trying awakening right then and there
Luffy gave his all at Rooftop and 1v1. Makes no sense to say otherwise. He can use a new form now that doesn't mean he didn't at 1v1 since we didn't saw full fight.
And that new form would not make difference at Rooftop because he didn't had ACoC to match Kaido anyway.
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it would be so funny if zkk doesn't happen
Key word is IF
 
#39
Luffy gave his all at Rooftop and 1v1. Makes no sense to say otherwise. He can use a new form now that doesn't mean he didn't at 1v1 since we didn't saw full fight.
And that new form would not make difference at Rooftop because he didn't had ACoC to match Kaido anyway.
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makes sense well explained
 
#40
Luffy gave his all at Rooftop and 1v1. Makes no sense to say otherwise. He can use a new form now that doesn't mean he didn't at 1v1 since we didn't saw full fight.
And that new form would not make difference at Rooftop because he didn't had ACoC to match Kaido anyway.
And it does not mean Luffy is holding back if he didn't use G4. I think for someone like kaido and big mom you can't just use and exert everything you have on them from the start. When they have no idea if that will work or not so going all out will weaken someone's strength.

It was best explained by Zoro in chapter 1010.



Which means that they can keep going and exhaust all of their stamina. Zoro chose to not waste more stamina than he already did and use up all of his remaining strength instead of slowly getting weaker for nothing when their opponent seems fine.

Luffy did the same thing earlier when he chose to burst all of what he got on Kaido but he failed and Zoro had to look over his shoulder for Luffy's blunder.

The fights in one piece is usually organized and easy to read.
 
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