Character Discussion Zoro downplay has reached a new height after chapter 1038

[Franosuke]

But he wasnt YC1 that much was clear.

He was not on King’s level yet

But he accomplished more on the rooftop against Kaido than Luffy did in beginning of Wano, which was a Luffy that was on Katakuri’s level

Hell, he accomplished more than every other SN on the rooftop until Luffy unlocked ACoC

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Yeah sorry, but King doesn't treat any of the YC3's like he treated Zoro when their fight first started. How you can see Zoro getting his ass handed to him like that and think "Man, he's defo a solidified High Tier" is beyond me. I did say low high tier though, which some Veterans are.

King would handle YC3’s even worse, tf

He might even handle Queen similarly

Vet lvl characters don’t give Kaido permanent scars and easily penetrate his durability

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

He was not on King’s level yet

But he accomplished more on the rooftop against Kaido than Luffy did in beginning of Wano, which was a Luffy that was on Katakuri’s level

Hell, he accomplished more than every other SN on the rooftop until Luffy unlocked ACoC

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King would handle YC3’s even worse, tf

He might even handle Queen similarly

Vet lvl characters don’t give Kaido permanent scars and easily penetrate his durability

You can't take one aspect of a character and use that to give them a overall ranking of strength. Zoro as a Swordsman is meant to be able to cut through the uncuttable. That's his shtick.

If you look at his actual 1 v 1 performance against King, he was severely lacking behind in all other aspects of combat. Had that not been a group battle on the roof, and he tried to fight Kaido on his own, he'd have been washed in seconds. Hence, low high tier is reasonable.

 

[Shanal]

It's funny throughout Wano. The fact that these dumbasses STILL have audacity to post and continue with their downplay alone shows how insanely delusional they are.

Specially people like Ndule, who were saying Zoro will fight Who's Who for the arc and that's that LOL

I mean, just look at how much people have tried to belittle Zoro's role this entire arc, and I can legit post examples of every single one of these claims getting positive attention:

-Zoro will fight WsW/Sasaki, while Sanji fights other one.

-Sanji vs King. Zoro vs Queen. Hurrr, long-neck Kaku/Jabra comparison, hurr.

-Zoro will never even see Kaido. Enma will break on Kaido, much less cut or scar him.

-Sanji is going with Luffy to the rooftop, too! M3 all want to go to Kaido!!

-tAtsUmakI oDeN hAki

-Okay... Zoro's done after Hakai. His role is over for the arc

-aSuRa oDeN hAki. Btw no CoC, Kaido's a retard. Zoro will never get ACoC, only captains and real conquerors can have it.

-Okay, Zoro's done for sure now... pls... oda, pls...

-Okay, Zoro's done after defeating King now. hE's fiNaLly yC1 lEveL

And now Zoro's back up again with another plot-line.

No one is wanking Zoro more than Oda this entire arc. Not even his most delusional fans tbh. The actual manga is surpassing all the expectations

If you look at his actual 1 v 1 performance against King, he was severely lacking behind in all other aspects of combat.

That's insanely wrong..

Zoro's only issue with King was the lack of AP. King had better strength and even then it was okay, it's mostly just that his durability hax was too strong for non-ACoC.

Zoro's Tatsumaki would've dealt damage to anyone other than King. Decent damage.

Zoro blitzed the shit out of King with Lion's Song. Anyone without Lunarian hax would've sustained heavy damage from it- a clean hit can significantly hurt if not possibly knockout a lot of Commanders. A MUCH weaker attack is strong enough to hurt Kaido and make him drop Luffy. Kaido's far, far more durable than any Commander who is not King (and possibly Jozu?)

After ACoC, Zoro's speed and reflexes remained the same, and you can see how casually Zoro clowns and destroys King's speed mode, by casually reacting so fast and cutting him across the entire torso.

Zoro in terms of combat was significantly superior to King in most aspects. It's just that what can you do to someone whom you literally cannot hurt? Zoro landed more direct hits on King than King landed on Zoro. Evenetually, King's superior physical strength + Enma's distraction started wearing Zoro down.

 

[Franosuke]

You can't take one aspect of a character and use that to give them a overall ranking of strength. Zoro as a Swordsman is meant to be able to cut through the uncuttable. That's his shtick.

If you look at his actual 1 v 1 performance against King, he was severely lacking behind in all other aspects of combat. Had that not been a group battle on the roof, and he tried to fight Kaido on his own, he'd have been washed in seconds. Hence, low high tier is reasonable.

Zoro’s issue against King was being unable to penetrate his defense.

He was able to actually mitigate a ton of the damage by dodging King’s attacks and using CoA to defend himself.

He also hard-countered King’s speed with CoO/reaction time in 1035, which is not something that ACoC helped him with

The only thing he “lacked” against King was AP to break through King’s defenses despite the fact that he already had better AP than like 95% of the verse. It also didn’t help that he had to figure out how King’s abilities worked

You have a point about 1v1’s being more indicative of overall strength compared to group fights, but I don’t think that applies all that much to Zoro v. King

The max I can say is that the fight showed he lacks aerial mobility

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

It's funny throughout Wano. The fact that these dumbasses STILL have audacity to post and continue with their downplay alone shows how insanely delusional they are.

Specially people like Ndule, who were saying Zoro will fight Who's Who for the arc and that's that LOL

I mean, just look at how much people have tried to belittle Zoro's role this entire arc, and I can legit post examples of every single one of these claims getting positive attention:

-Zoro will fight WsW/Sasaki, while Sanji fights other one.

-Sanji vs King. Zoro vs Queen. Hurrr, long-neck Kaku/Jabra comparison, hurr.

-Zoro will never even see Kaido. Enma will break on Kaido, much less cut or scar him.

-Sanji is going with Luffy to the rooftop, too! M3 all want to go to Kaido!!

-tAtsUmakI oDeN hAki

-Okay... Zoro's done after Hakai. His role is over for the arc

-aSuRa oDeN hAki. Btw no CoC, Kaido's a retard. Zoro will never get ACoC, only captains and real conquerors can have it.

-Okay, Zoro's done for sure now... pls... oda, pls...

-Okay, Zoro's done after defeating King now. hE's fiNaLly yC1 lEveL

And now Zoro's back up again with another plot-line.

No one is wanking Zoro more than Oda this entire arc. Not even his most delusional fans tbh. The actual manga is surpassing all the expectations



That's insanely wrong..

Zoro's only issue with King was the lack of AP. King had better strength and even then it was okay, it's mostly just that his durability hax was too strong for non-ACoC.

Zoro's Tatsumaki would've dealt damage to anyone other than King. Decent damage.

Zoro blitzed the shit out of King with Lion's Song. Anyone without Lunarian hax would've sustained heavy damage from it- a clean hit can significantly hurt if not possibly knockout a lot of Commanders. A MUCH weaker attack is strong enough to hurt Kaido and make him drop Luffy. Kaido's far, far more durable than any Commander who is not King (and possibly Jozu?)

After ACoC, Zoro's speed and reflexes remained the same, and you can see how casually Zoro clowns and destroys King's speed mode, by casually reacting so fast and cutting him across the entire torso.

Zoro in terms of combat was significantly superior to King in most aspects. It's just that what can you do to someone whom you literally cannot hurt? Zoro landed more direct hits on King than King landed on Zoro. Evenetually, King's superior physical strength + Enma's distraction started wearing Zoro down.

No. King showcased in the beginning of the fight his superiority over Zoro. Not dodging/defending Zoros "blitzes" later on wasn't because he couldn't, it was because he didn't have to, due to his Lunarians blood.

 

[Shanal]

No. King showcased in the beginning of the fight his superiority over Zoro. Not dodging/defending Zoros "blitzes" later on wasn't because he couldn't, it was because he didn't have to, due to his Lunarians blood.

And having ACoC made Zoro so fast that he casually clowned King in combat speed in a form which is MUCH faster than what King used in 1033-34?

C'mon, Zoro was astronomically superior to King in every aspect of combat other than strength. Zoro blitzed him because he could, not because King let him. There's a reason why they showed "!!!" after Lion's Song.

Can you show me a single time where King landed a direct hit on Zoro the entire fight outside of his fire kick? Even after Zoro started getting distracted by Enma, King couldn't get a direct hit in. Zoro blocked (was overpowered after blocking, but yes) or dodged literally everything King threw at him the entire fight.

Closest was when Tempura Udon point blank managed to slightly graze a heavily distracted Zoro lol. And that's, like, King's fastest attack.

 

[Fujishiro]

It's funny throughout Wano. The fact that these dumbasses STILL have audacity to post and continue with their downplay alone shows how insanely delusional they are.

Specially people like Ndule, who were saying Zoro will fight Who's Who for the arc and that's that LOL

I mean, just look at how much people have tried to belittle Zoro's role this entire arc, and I can legit post examples of every single one of these claims getting positive attention:

-Zoro will fight WsW/Sasaki, while Sanji fights other one.

-Sanji vs King. Zoro vs Queen. Hurrr, long-neck Kaku/Jabra comparison, hurr.

-Zoro will never even see Kaido. Enma will break on Kaido, much less cut or scar him.

-Sanji is going with Luffy to the rooftop, too! M3 all want to go to Kaido!!

-tAtsUmakI oDeN hAki

-Okay... Zoro's done after Hakai. His role is over for the arc

-aSuRa oDeN hAki. Btw no CoC, Kaido's a retard. Zoro will never get ACoC, only captains and real conquerors can have it.

-Okay, Zoro's done for sure now... pls... oda, pls...

-Okay, Zoro's done after defeating King now. hE's fiNaLly yC1 lEveL

And now Zoro's back up again with another plot-line.

No one is wanking Zoro more than Oda this entire arc. Not even his most delusional fans tbh. The actual manga is surpassing all the expectations



That's insanely wrong..

Zoro's only issue with King was the lack of AP. King had better strength and even then it was okay, it's mostly just that his durability hax was too strong for non-ACoC.

Zoro's Tatsumaki would've dealt damage to anyone other than King. Decent damage.

Zoro blitzed the shit out of King with Lion's Song. Anyone without Lunarian hax would've sustained heavy damage from it- a clean hit can significantly hurt if not possibly knockout a lot of Commanders. A MUCH weaker attack is strong enough to hurt Kaido and make him drop Luffy. Kaido's far, far more durable than any Commander who is not King (and possibly Jozu?)

After ACoC, Zoro's speed and reflexes remained the same, and you can see how casually Zoro clowns and destroys King's speed mode, by casually reacting so fast and cutting him across the entire torso.

Zoro in terms of combat was significantly superior to King in most aspects. It's just that what can you do to someone whom you literally cannot hurt? Zoro landed more direct hits on King than King landed on Zoro. Evenetually, King's superior physical strength + Enma's distraction started wearing Zoro down.

Read what your fellow cultists have been saying:

They are scared of Zoro possibly defeating the Reaper and transcending Death itself

So if you disagree with this or find the notion ridiculous you are downplaying Zoro?

 

[Shanal]

Read what your fellow cultists have been saying:

So if you disagree with this or find the notion ridiculous you are downplaying Zoro?

Obv not. The OP said that it's downplay to try and pretend that Zoro is being as hype tool for Brook, and that's that.

And honestly, while Matt IS wanking and fanboying, him claiming that Zoro is going to defeat Death is far less retarded than people who claimed that he'd fight Who's Who and do nothing else for entire Onigashima lol...

 

[Fujishiro]

Obv not. The OP said that it's downplay to try and pretend that Zoro is being as hype tool for Brook, and that's that.

And honestly, while Matt IS wanking and fanboying, him claiming that Zoro is going to defeat Death is far less retarded than people who claimed that he'd fight Who's Who and do nothing else for entire Onigashima lol...

What exactly is wrong with Brook saving Zoro from death thanks to his DF being a theory? Hes a fellow SH, whats wrong if he can maybe do that and help his mate?

I dont get whats triggering about it.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

It's been a tough year for anti-Zoro faction. They suffered too much damage from the Chapter 1001 to the Chapter 1036. Please leave the poor souls alone and let them cope with the reality in their own way.

 

[Shanal]

What exactly is wrong with Brook saving Zoro from death thanks to his DF being a theory? Hes a fellow SH, whats wrong if he can maybe do that and help his mate?

I dont get whats triggering about it.

Zoro's Thiller Bark 2.0 moment- hell, arguably much bigger than that because the pain and damage he'd experience is far greater- will not be used as hype-tool for Brook lol.

In an arc with metric fuck-ton of build-up regarding Zoro, at that. Anything Zoro does in Wano would be glorious... should be obvious after author decided to give him strongest haki boost in series so far mere 20 chapters after literal MC got it.

 

[Franosuke]

What exactly is wrong with Brook saving Zoro from death thanks to his DF being a theory? Hes a fellow SH, whats wrong if he can maybe do that and help his mate?

I dont get whats triggering about it.

Personally I disagree with the specific premise of the OP but the general idea is not entirely wrong

What I mean by this is the idea of Brook being involved in bringing Zoro back to life or whatever is not Zoro downplay, but it is true that a heavy portion of anti-zoro members of this forum have been repeatedly wrong about Zoro’s role in Wano coming to an end

And if is fairly easy to attribute that to them not wanting Zoro to do any more than he already has because they either don’t like him or they don’t like his fans

 

[Fujishiro]

Zoro's Thiller Bark 2.0 moment- hell, arguably much bigger than that because the pain and damage he'd experience is far greater- will not be used as hype-tool for Brook lol.

In an arc with metric fuck-ton of build-up regarding Zoro, at that. Anything Zoro does in Wano would be glorious... should be obvious after author decided to give him strongest haki boost in series so far mere 20 chapters after literal MC got it.

I can see that, but the thing is the Grim Reaper thingy has no build up as an antagonist like Kuma so hi 2.0 moment shouldnt be this imo as it has no weight to it.

I think the Grim Reaper is a physical representation of the double damage from the meds kicking in.

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Personally I disagree with the specific premise of the OP but the general idea is not entirely wrong

What I mean by this is the idea of Brook being involved in bringing Zoro back to life or whatever is not Zoro downplay, but it is true that a heavy portion of anti-zoro members of this forum have been repeatedly wrong about Zoro’s role in Wano coming to an end

And if is fairly easy to attribute that to them not wanting Zoro to do any more than he already has because they either don’t like him or they don’t like his fans

Fair.

 

[Kurozumi mugiwara44]

Let them cope. ZKK is not something they will be able to recover from.

 

[mugiwalaw]

man, like zorofans never downplay anything that goes against their agenda

they always downplayin Sanji, Luffy, Kaido, even Big Mom saying zoro can mid diff her

 

[Swordtaker]

What exactly is wrong with Brook saving Zoro from death thanks to his DF being a theory? Hes a fellow SH, whats wrong if he can maybe do that and help his mate?

I dont get whats triggering about it.

they want zoro to beat the real grim reaper , if oda made this thing happen, it will prove the fact he will break his standards just to wank this boy, he might as well put santa claus on a match with zoro. zoroboys brains are fck up,
they even wanted zoro to have sharingan .

 

[Kurozumi mugiwara44]

man, like zorofans never downplay anything that goes against their agenda

they always downplayin Sanji, Luffy, Kaido, even Big Mom saying zoro can mid diff her

It's not downplay, Zoro swift diffs all those characters.
The King of Hell is simply built different.

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

The Grim Reaper being Brook wouldn't surprise me at all. I have pretty low expectations for that little subplot, it leading to another nothing happened would be neat, but unlikely imo.

 

[Franosuke]

man, like zorofans never downplay anything that goes against their agenda

they always downplayin Sanji, Luffy, Kaido, even Big Mom saying zoro can mid diff her

Everyone downplays anything that goes against their agenda, it's nothing specific to Zoro fans. That's why threads like these go nowhere, because you can apply the same logic to any fandom.

It's just that the most recent and major incidences of such severe downplay and saltiness pertain to Zoro because his role in Wano has far exceeded expectations for both the most loyal of his fans and the most vehement of his detractors

they want zoro to beat the real grim reaper , if oda made this thing happen, it will prove the fact he will break his standards just to wank this boy, he might as well put santa claus on a match with zoro. zoroboys brains are fck up,
they even wanted zoro to have sharingan .

There is legitimate narrative evidence and implications of Zoro becoming a grim reaper-esque figure within the world of One Piece and all it takes is a bit of retrospective reading to realize it.

 

[Doggo]

What exactly is wrong with Brook saving Zoro from death thanks to his DF being a theory? Hes a fellow SH, whats wrong if he can maybe do that and help his mate?

I dont get whats triggering about it.

Because they made a shit show of the "robin saving sanji" stuff.
Imagine what happens if Zoro gets to be saved by Brook later on...

Spoiler: what happens

another shit show, but reversed.