Chapter Discussion How do you feel after Yonko got defeated?

[serkeara]

I am extremely disappointed how Big Mom vs Kid & Law went. And with honest opinion, I lose excitement in One Piece world building.

Yonko has been hyped as the conqueror and the best among pirates. Everyone, even government, terrify with their names and try to avoid the conflict with Yonko.
Note that it requires admirals, Garp & Sengoku, shikibukai, Blackbeard to take down army led by sick WhiteBeard. With this, Yonko is supposed to be the strongest and most terrifying in OP world. They should be treated equivalent to Madara in Naruto, Mareum in HxH, Gojo in Jujutsu, Shigaraki in Hero Academia.

Fast forward to the current chapter. Big Mom just basically got bullied by two supernovas:

• Kid and Law get repetitively stomped and chopped on the ground by Yonko, but they could get up 2 seconds later like nothing happening. Note that they don't have Zoan fruit but somehow have crazy endurance.
• Law keep telling he has no energy left. But turns out it is just a fake. He could continue fighting just fine after his ultimate attack. He could even pull a new Corazon trick and perform gymnastic slash.
• Kid and Law just need to keep spamming new abilities. No need to come up with strategy to beat one of the strongest pirate.
• At the same time, Big Mom, the Yonko!, needs to keep sacrifice her own lifespan in order to survive. She even needed to beg Law to stop.
• Her attacks are so weak that they have no impact on Kids and Law. Law got multiple chopped and COA punched by BM but he could endure and be exactly fine afterward.
• Her homies are nothing but fodder-level threat. They should at least on par with YC.
• Somehow she needs to command her homies to save her. On rooftop, they could go save BM by their own without hearing BM voice.
• She completely forgot advCOC

Remember, Big Mom has the same title with WhiteBeard who almost destroy the MarineFord. This ruins One Piece world for me. I can't see BB, Imu, Shank, Mihawk as big threats anymore after this event. What do you guys think?

 

[Sasparan]

Big Mom not attacking Kid and Law. When she attacks its ofscreened Oda only put her attacking 3 times i guess.
No AdvCoC attacks too.

 

[MonsterKaido]

--BM was nerfed badly by plot -- No adv coc ; no ikoku spamming ; no bigger prometheus attacks ; no bigger lightning attacks where fulgora was a test attack etc etc

--Her dura was the highlight though

--The problem is the fight itself ; it was garbage and felt empty , very empty and BM is being done very dirty if this is her last arc which I hope not

 

[Ryuarashi]

Antagonist will continue getting nerfed by plot, Yonkou, Admiral and WG it doesn't matter

 

[Midnight Delight]

Garp and Sengoku weren't even needed against Whitebeard Pirates

 

[Steven]

PIS was over the top

Her Dura on the other hand is over the top

 

[AkainuTheGrimReaper]

It basically how yonko are literally overhyped by fanbase.
‘People say” get disproved by one piece like sky island.

The Whitebeard was strongest pirate which it never apply to yonko hype.

The whole emperor are untouchable beast gods are actually myth created by people in one piece. Kidd and law domt believe the myth of yonko hype.

 

[Ryuarashi]

It basically how yonko are literally overhyped by fanbase.
‘People say” get disproved by one piece like sky island.

The Whitebeard was strongest pirate which it never apply to yonko hype.

The whole emperor are untouchable beast gods are actually myth created by people in one piece. Kidd and law domt believe the myth of yonko hype.

Oda labels them as the Strongest Pirates, it's natural for fans to have high expectations. If they were thay weak the Admirals/World Government would have already ran them over

They don't have to be Prime Whitebeard level

 

[MonsterKaido]

It basically how yonko are literally overhyped by fanbase.
‘People say” get disproved by one piece like sky island.

The Whitebeard was strongest pirate which it never apply to yonko hype.

The whole emperor are untouchable beast gods are actually myth created by people in one piece. Kidd and law domt believe the myth of yonko hype.

--Nah kaido is a monster and stronger than admirals ; WB is WB and BB is one of the penultimate Villain of one piece with WB's DF and yami yami no mi

--BM from the start is clowned by oda and lot of times

--In general BM maybe the only yonko proved to be dissapointing if this is her last arc

 

[Midnight Delight]

Oda labels them as the Strongest Pirates, it's natural for fans to have high expectations. If they were thay weak the Admirals/World Government would have already ran them over

They don't have to be Prime Whitebeard level

Look up real life geopolitics.

 

[AkainuTheGrimReaper]

Oda labels them as the Strongest Pirates, it's natural for fans to have high expectations.

They don't have to be Prime Whitebeard level

Except in one piece expections never matter because whole sky island and god Enel hype.

Kaido, big mom , shanks dont have oda interview to end one piece years as strength or oda will draw as respect.

World government don’t even want to destroy yonko syste, because they care about world balance. If they really did, IM and 5 gorsei come out and destroy every yonko easily. Most people believe IM and gorsei are supposed to be stronger than yonko or equal to yonko.

 

[PirateKingDrew]

I wanna know why she exploded when she hits Wano.

the bombs DO NOT fall with her like the spoilers said, neither does the fire monster. One Bomb explodes, the one Big Mom grabs and that explosion takes out the fire monster.
The rest of the bombs are still frozen beside Yamato, so why does Big Mom explode on wano when only Rubble falls with her.

Her defeat was a joke, no ryo, no advanced conquerer haki for Law and Kid and kid can break her bones with physical attacks with no explanations when a gear fourth luffy cannot, she was nerfed beyong anything i've ever seen in one piece.

Kid has done nothing in the story to merit defeating an emperor.

 

[BakiDou]

Somehow Law looked more threatening than Big Mom herself, so idc, that one dude who always hypes up doffy was right, Dofflamingo>Yonkos.

 

[Camie]

I just dont understand why didnt Big Mom use advCoc throughout that whole fight. Not only that, her life and slave is broken as all hell. She should have taken a ton of people's lifespan a long time ago. What the hell was she doing in this fight? Then Law is over there talking about how this may be his last attack or whatever or something to that affect. The dude proceeds to spawn a gigantic sword that reaches all the way down to Wano while tanking close range shots from Big Mom. Oda must have been on something strong during this fight.

 

[Herrera95]

What Yonko got defeated? I'm not seeing anyone but WB losing to sickness.

 

[kom5]

I am extremely disappointed how Big Mom vs Kid & Law went. And with honest opinion, I lose excitement in One Piece world building.

Yonko has been hyped as the conqueror and the best among pirates. Everyone, even government, terrify with their names and try to avoid the conflict with Yonko.
Note that it requires admirals, Garp & Sengoku, shikibukai, Blackbeard to take down army led by sick WhiteBeard. With this, Yonko is supposed to be the strongest and most terrifying in OP world. They should be treated equivalent to Madara in Naruto, Mareum in HxH, Gojo in Jujutsu, Shigaraki in Hero Academia.

Fast forward to the current chapter. Big Mom just basically got bullied by two supernovas:

• Kid and Law get repetitively stomped and chopped on the ground by Yonko, but they could get up 2 seconds later like nothing happening. Note that they don't have Zoan fruit but somehow have crazy endurance.
• Law keep telling he has no energy left. But turns out it is just a fake. He could continue fighting just fine after his ultimate attack. He could even pull a new Corazon trick and perform gymnastic slash.
• Kid and Law just need to keep spamming new abilities. No need to come up with strategy to beat one of the strongest pirate.
• At the same time, Big Mom, the Yonko!, needs to keep sacrifice her own lifespan in order to survive. She even needed to beg Law to stop.
• Her attacks are so weak that they have no impact on Kids and Law. Law got multiple chopped and COA punched by BM but he could endure and be exactly fine afterward.
• Her homies are nothing but fodder-level threat. They should at least on par with YC.
• Somehow she needs to command her homies to save her. On rooftop, they could go save BM by their own without hearing BM voice.
• She completely forgot advCOC

Remember, Big Mom has the same title with WhiteBeard who almost destroy the MarineFord. This ruins One Piece world for me. I can't see BB, Imu, Shank, Mihawk as big threats anymore after this event. What do you guys think?

The yonko hype got sales up the yonko downgrade got the sales down

Shonen jump should fire the entire staff

 

[Finalbeta]

Felt forced

Meme suddenly lost ACoC, she also didn't inflict another strike to Kidd subsequently to Ikoku efficiently landing Also always looked like the alliance had luck in the succession of battle events and events in general for the most part.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Oda might have retconned Law's stamina so I won't really care too much on that. Big Mom was always a tank balloon, she did use CoC two times during the fight but one was off-screened and the other one didn't do anything. Law and Kidd pulling new abilities was always a common trope in OP so nothing wrong with it. My only complaint is that Kidd and Law got beated by BM for a minute then stand right back up again.