Break Week Zoro sneaks attack Apoo

[ConquistadoR]

Like who ? Zoro has only fought Albert and Kaido....both of which dont ( or didnt ) dodge or block attacks. We dont know how it would par against someone who does.

Nobody in the post TS, except Alber, has ever reacted to or dodged a Rengoku Onigiri. Nobody in the post TS has ever reacted to or dodged a Shishi Sonson, a superior blitz.

Either way its besides the point. Sanji had panels of landing hits on Queen and even blitzing him. Zoro literally had nothing but the opposite with Apoo. Nothing before that sneak attack implies Zoro wouldve always landed it.

The burden of proof is on you to prove that Apoo has the reactions to dodge a Shishi Sonson when he walks straight into X-Drake's jaws in X-Drakes slowest form.

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[mly90]

Reminder Zoro blitzed King one of the fastest character in the series with the same move for people still crying it was sneak attack

 

[Law-sama]

The cut delay in the manga doesn't make sense at all. Only Law scene is great this episode.

 

[The White Crane]

Rooftop is almost here prepare for the fight that generated the most copium in manga history.

ZKK chapter will top that in terms of the amount of copium consumed, imo.

 

[Hiragaro]

Zoro haters who claim that Zoro sneaked attack Apoo, the anime just confirms your W sir.

:cheers:

The anime is not canon lol

 

[Chrono]

Nobody in the post TS, except Alber, has ever reacted to or dodged a Rengoku Onigiri. Nobody in the post TS has ever reacted to or dodged a Shishi Sonson, a superior blitz.

Why are you acting as if thats a feat. Hes only fought fodder pre Wano.

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The burden of proof is on you to prove that Apoo has the reactions to dodge a Shishi Sonson when he walks straight into X-Drake's jaws in X-Drakes slowest form.

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Again another sneak attack. Why tf is the burden on me. I hate when people state "the burden is on you"....such a cop out move. This is a debate....we both have to present our sides...And especially since you started the argumemt by comparing this scenario with Sanji vs Queen.

I already presented mine:

- Zoro was handled with ease anytime Apoo had his attention on him
- Presented no proof that he could land anything on Apoo on guard
- Thus shouldnt be compared with the sneak attack of Ifrit Jambe

You replied with:

- Zoro has landed hits on stromger opponents
- Nobody has dodged his moves post timeskip

I debunked with:

- Zoro has only fought stronger opponents who dont block or dodge. So they arent relevant to the convo
- Zoro has only fought fodders pre Wano.

 

[ConquistadoR]

- Zoro was handled with ease anytime Apoo had his attention on him

False argument when Apoo only blocked/parried Zoro in CQC and not specific fast paced blitzes like Rengoku Onigiri and Shishi Sonson.

- Presented no proof that he could land anything on Apoo on guard

You presented proof that Zoro cannot outpace Apoo drastically in CQC, like what Doflamingo did to Law in Dressrosa.

You presented nothing to suggest that he would dodge blitz-like attacks (Rengoku Onigiri, Shishi Sonson etc,.) from Zoro.

- Zoro has landed hits on stromger opponents

I replied with explaining that scrapping in CQC does not mean anything when it comes to dodging blitzes.

 

[Chrono]

False argument when Apoo only blocked/parried Zoro in CQC and not specific fast paced blitzes like Rengoku Onigiri and Shishi Sonson.

Its not false or untrue. I literally stated what happened. Doesnt matter what Zoro didnt use. Its like denying Doffy low diffed Sanji, by stating Sanji never got to use high tier DJ attacks or HM.

Apoo handled him easily whilst dealing with someone else. End of story.

You presented proof that Zoro cannot outpace Apoo drastically in CQC, like what Doflamingo did to Law in Dressrosa.

You presented nothing to suggest that he would dodge blitz-like attacks (Rengoku Onigiri, Shishi Sonson etc,.) from Zoro.

You didnt present proof that he could land it. So were at a tie on this one. However theres obivous proof backing Ifrit Jambe always landing. Thats why I stated that they both shouldnt be compared.

I replied with explaining that scrapping in CQC does not mean anything when it comes to dodging blitzes.

Sure. But Zoro's blitzing attacks have no real feats against Apoo. Whilst Sanji slower moves have feats against Queen.

And showing Zoro's moves that landed on tanks who dont dodge or fodders doesnt count


So again both scenarios shouldnt be compared.

 

[Roronoa-sama]

We dont need the anime to see it was a clear sneak attack lmao.

You mean sanji vs queen

 

[Chrono]

You mean sanji vs queen

Never denied it wasnt a sneak attack.

Sneak attacks are clear as day. Some are nesscary in Zoro's case. Some arent such as Sanji's case.

 

[BornInAbyss]

The anime is not canon lol

Shhhhh shhhhh just cope

 

[Kurozumi Giggio]

Doesnt work like that.

Sanji sneak attacked Queen, yes. But hes proven he could land hits on Queen before his speed increase. When he got his speed increase....he could move invisible to Queen. And all Ifrit Jambe does is make that even faster. Its certain ifrit Jambe would always land with everything shown before.

Whilst in Zoro's case, before his sneak attack...he got outpaced by Apoo. And Apoo handled both him and Hybrid Drake in CQC at the same time without his DF. He handled him easily when he had his attention on him. So who knows what would have happened.

Yes both Sanji and Zoro sneak attacked. But Ifrit Jambe is a sure hit. Shishisonson isnt on Apoo tho.

No it's a guranteed hit because Apoo can't block it , his tonfa got broken

 

[Roronoa-sama]

The anime is not canon lol

 

[Monster Luffy]

Is the anime fully canon now?

Yes, since it matches zoroturds headcanon now. No wonder they are the most hypocrite fanbase.

 

[Veku]

After Zoro caused a permanent scar to Kaido and then procceeded to take out King, it's really necessary to point out that Zoro fucked up a trashcan like Apoo fair and square? The lengths this fandom goes is asthonishing

 

[BornInAbyss]

Yes, since it matches zoroturds headcanon now.

It always was canon. People who cope think otherwise

 

[Monster Luffy]

It always was canon. People who cope think otherwise

Yeah sure.

 

[ConquistadoR]

Its not false or untrue. I literally stated what happened. Doesnt matter what Zoro didnt use. Its like denying Doffy low diffed Sanji, by stating Sanji never got to use high tier DJ attacks or HM.

Apoo handled him easily whilst dealing with someone else. End of story.



You didnt present proof that he could land it. So were at a tie on this one. However theres obivous proof backing Ifrit Jambe always landing. Thats why I stated that they both shouldnt be compared.



Sure. But Zoro's blitzing attacks have no real feats against Apoo. Whilst Sanji slower moves have feats against Queen.

And showing Zoro's moves that landed on tanks who dont dodge or fodders doesnt count


So again both scenarios shouldnt be compared.

It's like comparing apples and oranges.

When comparing speed, I stated that much faster moves than what Apoo parried, moves which stronger characters with better reaction feats couldn't dodge btw, can't be dodged by Apoo. That's more than enough proof from my side.

And you give a character speed feats when they showcase them, you don't give randos like Apoo the benefit of the doubt for no reason lmao - especially when he's getting grabbed by Drake and being attacked by CP0 agents. Even Killer, a stronger and more mobile fighter than Apoo, could not handle a simple Rengoku Onigiri. Shishi Sonson and Shi Shishi Sonson are far faster than that.

 

[Zolo]

Anime destroys Zoro haters ideology so they cope hard and say anime is not canon.

In anime Sanjo KOd Drake... so thats that

 

[Chrono]

It's like comparing apples and oranges.

When comparing speed, I stated that much faster moves than what Apoo parried, moves which stronger characters with better reaction feats couldn't dodge btw, can't be dodged by Apoo. That's more than enough proof from my side.

And you give a character speed feats when they showcase them, you don't give randos like Apoo the benefit of the doubt for no reason lmao - especially when he's getting grabbed by Drake and being attacked by CP0 agents. Even Killer, a stronger and more mobile fighter than Apoo, could not handle a simple Rengoku Onigiri. Shishi Sonson and Shi Shishi Sonson are far faster than that.

Not at all. Apoo handled Zoro. No ifs...no buts. You can make excuses all you want, but Apoo handled both Drake and Zoro at the same time.

And again like I said Albert and Kaido dont dodge and block. Kaido never does....and Albert only started to around the end....but thats too lste since then Zoro had his AdvCoC attacks. Do I beleive Zoro gets Apoo with AdvCoC.....yh sure. Without it ? Well I havent seen any proof he can.

Again Drake sneaked him. Same way, Zoro did. Both Zoro and Drake can get the better of him when hes distracted. But he handled them both together at the same time.

You have zero proof Killer is stronger or more mobile. I see Apoo defeating his ss.