General & Others Oda and his characters flaw logic

[Swordtaker]

one thing i can't stand about this manga was it's terrible fight description,
but there was also other things that makes me mad about, and its character bullshit logic. im gonna list some of them

Kaido deciding not to kill luffy thinking he can break his will and become one of his underlings, since when was kaido succeed on this tactics of acquiring members? two of his heavy hitters are recruited with peaceful interaction, also he came from crew that has members that cant stand each others, he even stated that pirates will betray their own members so what's the reason behind his logic of wanting to recruit enemies?

bigmom wanting to create a nation where all races can live happily, but she herself was racist to her own daughter

Sanji refusing to hit women, but he tries to hit bigmom, does bigmom not woman, or being women only apply to young gorgeous ladies.

Akainu absolute justice, all pirates should be eliminated except for jewelry bonney.

shanks fake obsession in balance in power.

 

[Sir Tuna Sandwich II]

Crydo is retarded
Big Meme is retared
Sanji don't care to hit ugly fat Meme
Papakuzi is a man of law
Shanks is a snitch

 

[vikas]

bigmom wanting to create a nation where all races can live happily, but she herself was racist to her own daughter

Agree that was BS just to add some plot to pudding becoming an ally...BMs talk when the little kids(anana something) fight also showed she was very open-minded.

Sanji refusing to hit women, but he tries to hit bigmom, does bigmom not woman, or being women only apply to young gorgeous ladies.

Refusing to hit physically but can sexually harras them.

Akainu absolute justice, all pirates should be eliminated except for jewelry bonney.

Can't really say about this...since he was following orders at that time....we still don't know what the deal is.

shanks fake obsession in balance in power.

BB should give him scar on other eye to maintain the balance

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

one thing i can't stand about this manga was it's terrible fight description,
but there was also other things that makes me mad about, and its character bullshit logic. im gonna list some of them

Kaido deciding not to kill luffy thinking he can break his will and become one of his underlings, since when was kaido succeed on this tactics of acquiring members? two of his heavy hitters are recruited with peaceful interaction, also he came from crew that has members that cant stand each others, he even stated that pirates will betray their own members so what's the reason behind his logic of wanting to recruit enemies?

bigmom wanting to create a nation where all races can live happily, but she herself was racist to her own daughter

Sanji refusing to hit women, but he tries to hit bigmom, does bigmom not woman, or being women only apply to young gorgeous ladies.

Akainu absolute justice, all pirates should be eliminated except for jewelry bonney.

shanks fake obsession in balance in power.

1) 30 years of pirate career, King, Queen, Jack, Numbers, Hawkins, Apoo. He thought Luffy is the same as them. If someone can´t hurt you, difference between Luffy and Hawkins becomes meaningless, so from his perspective, pretty sensible to try to recruit a guy who just beat two YCs of a enemy Yonkou crew, especially if you want to conquer the world.

2) Pretty consistent because she simply took the supposed dream of Mother Carmel as her own while still having the mental capacity of a child, meaning it´s not a grand ideal, but a selfish desire, hence literally collecting races in Mont D´or´s book. That was one of the main points of WCI...

3) That i agree with, not just Sanji but generally, Oda likes to refrain from showing supposedly beautiful women getting hurt unless it is to highlight a villain, like Vergo vs Tashigi for example. Just traditional gender roles at play which is still prevalent in Japanese society.

4) Not true either. Akainu is absolute in his judgements, hence once he deems someone needs to be killed, he does it absolutely without any thought of collateral damage or other factors. He deemed Ace and Luffy as the most dangerous for the future, and targeted them.
Dude did not care about most of WB Pirates escaping or BB wreaking havoc as long as Ace and Luffy, the leaders of the new generation of pirates, would die.
Bonney is as inconsequential as the WB Pirates, putting other political stuff aside.

5) Not understanding that one. Shanks´ motivation have not been addressed at all, whether he is just a gatekeeper to the OP, whether he wanted to accomplish it himself and so forth. If it´s the former, it would make sense that he would like to keep the status quo until Luffy comes up to that level instead of BB.

 

[Swordtaker]

Refusing to hit physically but can sexually harras them.

don't think sanji had sexually harrass anyone, the closing thing of harrassment he did was peeping on the bath, but you can also justify that because of few things, but i agree about the atiitude it was cringy for character who have a chivalrious moral views

BB should give him scar on other eye to maintain the balance

also chop his other arms :cheers:

 

[vikas]

don't think sanji had sexually harrass anyone, the closing thing of harrassment he did was peeping on the bath, but you can also justify that because of few things, but i agree about the atiitude it was cringy for character who have a chivalrious moral views

Pretty sure no girl likes these.

Imagine being in the presence of that guy all the time who claims to be a Ladies Knight...but they always have to vary of him on day to day basis like bathing. Definitely not feeling safe.

 

[Swordtaker]

30 years of pirate career, King, Queen, Jack, Numbers, Hawkins, Apoo. He thought Luffy is the same as them. If someone can´t hurt you, difference between Luffy and Hawkins becomes meaningless, so from his perspective, pretty sensible to try to recruit a guy who just beat two YCs of a enemy Yonkou crew, especially if you want to conquer the world.

why would he think luffy was no difference than them? did the names you mention fought kaido? lol even hawkins balls shrink before having a chance to fight kaido, kaido's logic was too dumb, he should have seen himself on luffy and kid like , cause he himself will never submit to no one, what luffy did to him from the start was un acceptable, luffy cut his production of smiles,
they let Crydo cry like a bitch for that, then after the person who stop his ambition of grand war came down to his turf, attacking him, when he have the chance to make him pay for whathe did, he spare him and let him train on his backyard, ffs he was pissing other yonkos at the same time signs of he doesnt give 2 fcks. smh

like i said Kaido came from a crew that was known for conflicts between themselves, also if he really believe strongly about betrayal being common on pirates, he shouldnt spare luffy knowing luffy will grow more as a threat. akainu was more logical for wanting to kill luffy early on, cause he believe he will be a pain in the ass in the future, why was kaido doesnt sense that? him wanting to break luffy's will for him to submit was nothing but plot holes, so that luffy can come out again and have his growth, oda can literally make kaido sentence luffy and he can still have his training before his escaping with his schedule execution

2) Pretty consistent because she simply took the supposed dream of Mother Carmel as her own while still having the mental capacity of a child, meaning it´s not a grand ideal, but a selfish desire, hence literally collecting races in Mont D´or´s book. That was one of the main points of WCI...

so you agree that bigmom is racist. despite her fcking bunch of races? no that just plot holes, to create sympathy for pudding, but insted of children bulying her about her looks, similar to kata, oda place bigmom maybe he didnt want too make it looks like repeeatitive lol

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Pretty sure no girl likes these.

Imagine being in the presence of that guy all the time who claims to be a Ladies Knight...but they always have to vary of him on day to day basis like bathing. Definitely not feeling safe.

lol sanji was in namis body, i think yall making that gag too complicatd , sexuall harrasment in anime arent to be taken to seriously like in real world. lol if sanji was imprison and convicted as rapist or sexually harrasing in oda manga, then we can talk.

 

[serkeara]

I think Kaido trying to break the will for the first defeat is relatively fine, comparing to this...

Kaido: "I'm gonna gouge his eyes out, or cave is skull, maybe just crush his heart woroworo..."

But then, decided to throw Luffy off the island and crying...
"I should have simply cut your head off and announced my victory to everyone"



I felt like I was intelligently challenged by Oda by reading this...

 

[Hades]

i think yall making that gag too complicatd , sexuall harrasment in anime arent to be taken to seriously like in real world.

You say this and your opening statement is..."there was also other things that makes me mad about, and its character bullshit logic ..."....

besides, the only time Kaido didn't kill Luffy was when he lost for the first time....rest of the times, he tried to kill Luffy only to be saved by Zoro and other time he has thrown him out into the ocean at the moment of impulse....

besides, aren't human beings often contradictory in their views and rules?...

 

[Midnight Delight]

Big Mom is realistic. Ask any mixed kid with a racist parent

 

[Swordtaker]

You say this and your opening statement is..."there was also other things that makes me mad about, and its character bullshit logic ..."....

besides, the only time Kaido didn't kill Luffy was when he lost for the first time....rest of the times, he tried to kill Luffy only to be saved by Zoro and other time he has thrown him out into the ocean at the moment of impulse....

besides, aren't human beings often contradictory in their views and rules?...

if you read youll understand im refferring more about moral consistency. Sanji never promise not to sexually harras women, so i dont get why bring this harrassment thing, when the topic is about logical flaws, sanji only promise not to hit women, not to drool or nosebleed to them, it was the hypocracy flaws im referring to, like kado believing betrayal is part of a pirate's nature and admitted that he overlooked the threat of the scabbards because he never expected noble samurai to ally with pirates, then here he is assuming an enemy who destroy his dream will side on to him.

 

[vikas]

lol sanji was in namis body, i think yall making that gag too complicatd , sexuall harrasment in anime arent to be taken to seriously like in real world. lol if sanji was imprison and convicted as rapist or sexually harrasing in oda manga, then we can talk.

I am keeping in inside manga only.
Doesn't change the fact that a reader can't see him as a ladies knight...when oda shows him as a creep.....maybe for oda only physically harming counts as hurting someone ...and ladies mean beautiful ladies(excluding transgenders). . I mean even Kiku is male but oda made Sanji dumb to realize it and is avoiding him getting to know..since Kiku can be used for fan service

 

[Swordtaker]

I am keeping in inside manga only.
Doesn't change the fact that a reader can't see him as a ladies knight...when oda shows him as a creep.....maybe for oda only physically harming counts as hurting someone ...and ladies mean beautiful ladies(excluding transgenders). . I mean even Kiku is male but oda made Sanji dumb to realize it and is avoiding him getting to know..since Kiku can be used for fan service

he was a creep, and he doesnt make no difference, most strawhats also have their own Vices not only guilty by theologian standards, lust , greed, gluttony wratch etc. also with systematic, law murder was also a sin punishable , same as harrasment,

 

[Finalbeta]

Yep Big Mom did the same with Kidd. She was going too slow, I had this impression. That just didn't feel right.

 

[Herrera95]

Tobiroppo except for X-Drake were recruited breaking their wills. At least I understood like that. And we are not sure how he recruited Jack and Queen are we? Only King we know it was peaceful right?

Big Mom wasn't racist against her daughter. She was mean, just that. She called her daughter ugly for third eye.

Oda explained that Sanji didn't hitted BM but only blocked her. So still fits his character, that scene was odd at first to me too but I can understand that explanation of him.

Akainu's absolute justice and Bonney... You may be right, we are speculating her to be his daughter or something like that but still wouldn't fit his absolute justice. But Akainu being in favor of Shichibukai system to me is worse than him letting Bonney alive and free.

Shanks what? That was never said only implied by fans.

 

[Pooth]

I am keeping in inside manga only.
Doesn't change the fact that a reader can't see him as a ladies knight...when oda shows him as a creep.....maybe for oda only physically harming counts as hurting someone ...and ladies mean beautiful ladies(excluding transgenders). . I mean even Kiku is male but oda made Sanji dumb to realize it and is avoiding him getting to know..since Kiku can be used for fan service

 

[Finalbeta]

Can't wait to discover more about Bonney and Papazuki. Perhaps there's something deep going on, like family matters.

 

[vikas]

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