[FNZ] Role Madness Game 02: The Ascent of the Space Pirates

[Reborn]

Just the voting of Rej, then Rej dying is a little off. But I admitted it could mean nothing deeper.

Fair enough

My bad I mean suspecting. She suspected Kiwi, Law and Rej

So you sus Celestia because she sused three different people...

Then what about you?
You kept on flipfloppin between rej, denim and Celestia with every post you made....based on your logic and reasoning you should be sus as well.. Right?

 

[Kiwipom]

My bad I mean suspecting. She suspected Kiwi, Law and Rej

Oh, did you misread her posts or something?

 

[Dragomir]

But that's not a universal rule right? Strategy can change? So we can't rule this possibility out

Yeah, but it is just a tinfoil(an unlikely theory).

 

[Dragomir]

Like look, I'll admit that I have killed players that suspected me in the immediate night phase and just bullshitted my way through the game acting like I was being framed by mafia.

But the difference is, I am one ballsy motherfucker who can pull Gambit's that pay off or wreck me. Most people aren't like that.

 

[Dragomir]

The reason I'm out the possibility is cause Rej was in this game. She can't kill the both of us and if she were to take just me out, Rej will call her out.

 

[NeutralWatcher]

Fair enough


So you sus Celestia because she sused three different people...

Then what about you?
You kept on flipfloppin between rej, denim and Celestia with every post you made....based on your logic and reasoning you should be sus as well.. Right?

I think Celestia changes from active to passive on the second day. She lynched after she got lynched.

Oh, did you misread her posts or something?

I think wrong word to use. I should have said suspecting instead of lynching

Reborn and Kiwi seem to protect Celestia a lot when someone suspected him. This makes Celestia even more suspicious

 

[Dragomir]

I think Celestia changes from active to passive on the second day. She lynched after she got lynched.


I think wrong word to use. I should have said suspecting instead of lynching.

Reborn and Kiwi seem like protect Celestia a lot when someone suspected her. This makes her even more suspicious

I think you've got them mixed up. She is definitely not passive this day and was more it last day.

 

[NeutralWatcher]

I think you've got them mixed up. She is definitely not passive this day and was more it last day.

I mean before you lynched her

 

[Reborn]

Like look, I'll admit that I have killed players that suspected me in the immediate night phase and just bullshitted my way through the game acting like I was being framed by mafia.

But the difference is, I am one ballsy motherfucker who can pull Gambit's that pay off or wreck me. Most people aren't like that.

So you agree that game play is possible and you yourself did it. That's all..

I will come back after going through your posts to clear something...if I nothing is found then you are townie for me.. otherwise....

I think Celestia changes from active to passive on the second day. She lynched after she got lynched.


I think wrong word to use. I should have said suspecting instead of lynching.

Reborn and Kiwi seem like protect Celestia a lot when someone suspected her. This makes her even more suspicious

You are not sure what you are saying...

Sometime its Lynch then sus.. sometimes it's passive and active.. sometime rej,or denim or Celestia and now me and kiwi..

 

[Kiwipom]

I think wrong word to use. I should have said suspecting instead of lynching.

The reason I’m asking this is because last night, I read Denim’s post on Celestia lynching a lot of people on day 1, so I agreed that such action was suspicious. I’ll be honest, I got lazy and didn’t check to see if she really voted 3 times until Celestia called me out:

But i don't understand what u mean by random lynching a lot as i only lynched someone just to get them to talk

and I realized she was right. She only lynched TAC.

But look, the other people who made the same mistake are:

Already down to lynch 3 ppl very early in D1 bothers me.

Sorry I don't have time atm. I think Celestia changed from lynching 3 people to being passive on the second day. I'll answer more if I have time

Denim is the one who started this notion. Yesterday , NW was saying that Denim was suspicious (build distance from scum buddy?) then today, he had a sudden change of heart using Denim’s points of “Celestia lynching 3 people” from yesterday. I’m not sure if I believe you when you say it was a mistake from not using the correct terms, perhaps you were following Denim’s lead and thus, made the same wording mistake as him

 

[Kiwipom]

Vote lynch Neutralwatcher @Finalbeta

 

[Dragomir]

The reason I’m asking this is because last night, I read Denim’s post on Celestia lynching a lot of people on day 1, so I agreed that such action was suspicious. I’ll be honest, I got lazy and didn’t check to see if she really voted 3 times until Celestia called me out:



and I realized she was right. She only lynched TAC.

But look, the other people who made the same mistake are:




Denim is the one who started this notion. Yesterday , NW was saying that Denim was suspicious (build distance from scum buddy?) then today, he had a sudden change of heart using Denim’s points of “Celestia lynching 3 people” from yesterday. I’m not sure if I believe you when you say it was a mistake from not using the correct terms, perhaps you were following Denim’s lead and thus, made the same wording mistake as him

I wasn't wrong with what I said. I never said she was trying to lynch 3 ppl but just that she was open to lynching 3 different ppl. That's what I thought was the problem.

 

[Reborn]

The reason I’m asking this is because last night, I read Denim’s post on Celestia lynching a lot of people on day 1, so I agreed that such action was suspicious. I’ll be honest, I got lazy and didn’t check to see if she really voted 3 times until Celestia called me out:



and I realized she was right. She only lynched TAC.

But look, the other people who made the same mistake are:




Denim is the one who started this notion. Yesterday , NW was saying that Denim was suspicious (build distance from scum buddy?) then today, he had a sudden change of heart using Denim’s points of “Celestia lynching 3 people” from yesterday. I’m not sure if I believe you when you say it was a mistake from not using the correct terms, perhaps you were following Denim’s lead and thus, made the same wording mistake as him

Great work...this is the best read I read from anyone here..

I will go with what you said...

@Law you are too defensive. I read your post and it's just too mixed up. Its like you don't want to put anything straight forwardly

@Denim and @Celestia I am confused regarding your situation.. both of you can't be scum. Its either one of you or both could be twonie. I have to re read your whole argument with each other to reach to the conclusion...will do today itself...

@Kiwipom is townie for me. The Only one with totally engaged into scum hunting and being open when I asked her questions and didn't over react....

@tac as of now neutral...its mixed feeling regarding him... doesn't seem to be in scum hunting much

@Zoro D Goat dude when on earth will you reply to my questions...you didn't do on day 1 and you dodged the question today as well...

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

I believe both Celestia and Denim are town.

 

[Law]

I have looked through the whole game once again and found more posts that grabbed my attention.
1.

Mafias are supposed to know their partners IIRC.

Vote Lynch Denim and Celestia

Can I vote 2 people?

Rej is suspicious imo. He voted denim then unvoted him same thing he voted kiwi then unvoted kiwi.

I'll wait how things play out before I decide who is sus

Denim seems want to direct people attention for lynching Celestia. That is suspicious imo

So what's your opinion about Celestia. Other users beside Celestia also random lynched but you voted for Celestia?

Denim gives me townie vibe. Denim is very aggresive in his stance to lynch Celestia. Celestia seems to lay low to blend with townie.

NW opened up the game as a new player, with mistakes such as asking to vote for two players, whether it was possible or not. He immediately voted for Denim and Celestia, his first choices.
Let's proceed with observation and here we see he is calling out Rej for voting and unvoting (Rej voted for Denim that NW voted for earlier himself and Rej also voted for Kiwi).
NW starts questioning Denim for his reasons on pushing Celestia lynch. I actually like that post because he is engaging with another player and not afraid to ask that player the reasons. But what I found odd after that was the second dayphase where NW all of a sudden think denim is town no matter how he voted for him previously and was even asking questions why Denim voted for Celestia. He switches places, I would like to know why. That right there is very suspicious to me.

2.

Vote Lynch [Reborn] (Don't know how to play this game yet so corrected me if I'm wrong)

Zoro is a different story. He doesn't talk to many players, doesn't really participate in the game discussions much and only throws votes here and there without much explanation and reasoning. How long will that continue? How long is his inexperience going to give him a free pass?

3.

Wassup fams!
Vote lynch @Celestia
Sorry for the late comeness but i was busy :(

The only, and I repeat the only post made by Fuji, what's interesting is that he voted for Celestia. In his only one post.

4.

Unvote

Drago is in his element I will let him pass for now, he can be a valuable towny.
Reborn is interesting, but enthusiastic, I like it.

Soooo who might be scum, I have a small pool of suspects I would like to see more from. For example @Kiwipom

Vote lynch @Kiwipom @Finalbeta

8v2
or
7v2v1
are the basic ratios, so looking for two scums is always the right way

I rarely see 1v9 recently

@NeutralWatcher you there? do you have some impressions or questions to share? why were you so eager to place votes?

Unvote

I will barely make it to the end of the DP, I will try my best.

@Kiwipom got my eyes on you, and on the other new guys and on TAC

Good night.

I tried giving a closer attention to Rej's posts, he was killed so my question to myself was why mafia decided to kill him.
After his interactions with Denim, he unvoted him and said he is in his town meta and he will let him pass. He then moved his focus on Kiwi and was mentioning Kiwi for some time asking to see her play and what she thinks. Now that is worth attention. Why Kiwi? he moved from Denim to Kiwi and he is a confirmed town, don't forget.
Don't let his post about possible mafia and town ratio slip by either, ladies and gentlemen. Second post I quoted.
Rej is also asking for NW's opinion and I don't think he ever gotten any and NW didn't reply to his tag. Remember this and player interactions, it will come in handy later. He also brings his suspicion on Kiwi again and mentions he is watching TAC. I don't know who he means by new guys.

5.

Zoro D. Goat (who said he is newbie) immediately voted to lynch Reborn in his first post. I’m skeptical that he is doing the whole “pressure vote” strategy like everyone else since he is new. I’d like to hear his thoughts of why he voted Reborn @Zoro D Goat

Kiwi is a different story. She, as all of us pretty much, noticed the random (or were they?) votes at the start of the game all of a sudden. I was hesitant on her in the previous dayphase, she didn't say much, but I really liked this post and I am going to paste it here again:

So about what I was saying, let's take a look at what each users were doing:

Actively participated: Celestia, Rej, Denim
Voted but not active: Neutralwatcher, Fujishiro and Zoro D. Goat
Not participated: Me, Law, TAC and Reborn

Something interesting to note is that the ones who were participating were all experienced players, the ones who voted then dipped were all newbies and the ones who didn't participate were the novice players. So this is a factor to keep in mind when assessing the situation, the experience of the players could determine how they reacted.

I think the newbies who voted then dipped while they seem suspicious, it would make no sense for mafia to do something like that. It doesn't help them blend in and only draws in more attention. But that doesn't townclear them obviously and I agree with your point that Fujishiro could have just been told to vote by a mafia buddy since he joined in late.

On the other hand, Celestia and you were really driving the game imo while Rej took more of a backseat even tho he was participating. That to me makes him a bit more suspicious because he is perfectly between active but still trying to lay low.

The rest who didn't participate weren't really active at that time or maybe were lurking but unsure. Or could be mafia wanting to wait until it ends before participating again. I don't have much concrete thoughts about this since the reasons are ambiguous

However, Rej being suspicious of her makes me really think, what if it was his gut feeling. I don't think Kiwi answered to Rej and reacted to his vote. She also voted for Fuji but I would have voted for him myself last phase too.

6.

Honestly? I think everyone has been doing specifically that. Nothing of value has been gleamed in three pages. Random votes that haven't yielded any information, then some friendly correspondence and Neutralwatcher's mistake alongside Law's curiosity at my silence. I'm also a little suspicious of you, because I'm not exactly solid on you being townie.

I am very confident. I've got a strat. in the works to win us the game.

Good thoughts. Why do you find me sus?

If I'm reading it correctly, you think @Celestia's way too shifty with who she views as scum? Her willingness to accuse or vote anyone, flippantly almost, making her suspicious to you?

Sure, it's not something I think is too great. But it's also very open. I feel like Scum would be more covert about trying to push a player. Her being open minded could also feed into three pages of essentially nothing of importance being said. I don't think it's immediately suspicious.

Let's take a look at TAC. TAC is similar to NW in a sense for me. here is why: He suspects Denim D1 but D2 he screams Denim is town. NW did the same. have you guys noticed? read the quotes. I might be on to something.
TAC also softly protects Celestia (her playing style, to be more precise), a player Denim has been on for a while.

It feels like you're trying to push the game forward. Which isn't an inherently bad thing, but it's also a good spot for Mafia or Evil to take. Hide your allies and keep yourself out of suspicion because you're appearing to help the town.

It could go either way as of now for you, but until I have a reason to trust you I need to stay suspicious of ya. It'd be too easy to rely on you because you're being talkative and trying to muster up the investigation.

TAC not sure about Denim however later he speaks highly of him.

You better be watching me Rej, because I'm going to catch the mafia again.

This is a very pushy post regarding Rej mentioning watching TAC (Rej is a confirmed town).

It took me some time to finally finish this post because I was getting distracted and I have more to say.
@Denim You asked for reads. I think NW is definitely scummy. The more I look back, the more I see it

 

[Kiwipom]

NW opened up the game as a new player, with mistakes such as asking to vote for two players, whether it was possible or not. He immediately voted for Denim and Celestia, his first choices.

Oh fuck I just realized something. NW is a newbie, but before anyone even discussed how many mafias there are in the game, he automatically assumed there’s 2 present as shown when he voted Denim and Celestia

Can I vote 2 people?[/QUOTE]

 

[Kiwipom]

Ignore the above, mobile WG fucked up my format again. This is how it’s supposed to be:

Oh fuck I just realized something. NW is a newbie, but before anyone even discussed how many mafias there are in the game, he automatically assumed there’s 2 present as shown when he voted Denim and Celestia

Mafias are supposed to know their partners IIRC.

Vote Lynch Denim and Celestia

Can I vote 2 people?

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Oh fuck I just realized something. NW is a newbie, but before anyone even discussed how many mafias there are in the game, he automatically assumed there’s 2 present as shown when he voted Denim and Celestia

Can I vote 2 people?

[/QUOTE]
You think he assumed he could vote two people because he was maf, and knew there were two scum?

 

[Law]

Remember I said in my previous post to keep attention and see because it will come handy. Here is why.
I looked through every post, from Day 1, of who interacted with whom with quotes and tags, not just mentioning the names. Only quotes and tags. Correct me if I am wrong. Some of this looks interesting

1. @Rej
2. @Fujishiro
3. @TheAncientCenturion
4. @Law
5. @Denim
6. @Zoro D Goat
7. @Celestia
8. @Kiwipom
9. @Reborn
10. @NeutralWatcher
10 players

Reborn - Rej, NW, Denim, Celestia, Law, Kiwi, Fuji, TAC, Zoro (Interacted with everybody. I put names in order of interactions appearing first)
Celestia - Reborn, Denim, NW, Kiwi, TAC, Fuji (Did not interact with Law, Rej, and Zoro)
Rej - Denim, Reborn, Celestia, NW (Did not interact with Fuji, TAC, Law, Zoro, and Kiwi)
Denim - Celestia, Reborn, NW, Kiwi, Law, TAC, Rej, Zoro (Did not interact with Fuji)
NW - Denim (He didn't quote or tag other players in his posts and did not respond to other players either, his only interaction via quote or tag was with Denim. Why?)
Fuji - Only voted, made 1 post
Kiwi - Law, Zoro, Denim, Celestia, Reborn, TAC (Did not interact with Rej, Fuji, NW)
Law - Kiwi, Denim, Celestia, Rej, Reborn, Fuji, TAC, Zoro (Did not interact with NW)
TAC - Celestia, Law, Denim, Rej, Zoro, Reborn (Did not interact with NW, Rej, Kiwi)
Zoro - Denim, Kiwi (only interacted with 2 people)

I am still looking more into this and whether there is more meaning, but NW's almost nonexistant interaction is weird. Zoro's too. TAC not talking with Kiwi is like what!? I believe mafia might try not to talk to each other much in the game thread, maybe there is something about that in here.

Now let me catch up with the thread, I have to read 2 new pages and see what's going on

 

[Kiwipom]

You think he assumed he could vote two people because he was maf, and knew there were two scum?

Yes, that’s what I think