[FNZ] Role Madness Game 02: The Ascent of the Space Pirates

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Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
If you're convinced by Law/Kiwi, why wouldn't you vote for neutralwatching @Reborn
I already said I will look into Celestia and denim argument long before law and kiwi even put up their argument...so I will do what I told First..

I also made it clear that if I didn't find any sus among them then I will vote on what majority agreed.

This denim and Celestia argument went for too long and didn't take us anywhere. I need to sort this out.


Btw, why you so in hurry asking people to cast vote on nw so much? He already has 3 votes on him.....
 

TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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I already said I will look into Celestia and denim argument long before law and kiwi even put up their argument...so I will do what I told First..

I also made it clear that if I didn't find any sus among them then I will vote on what majority agreed.

This denim and Celestia argument went for too long and didn't take us anywhere. I need to sort this out.


Btw, why you so in hurry asking people to cast vote on nw so much? He already has 3 votes on him.....
Why would you decide to vote for either of them when the current idea is NeutralWatching is the most sus player? You can look into their argument, and carry into it for the next round of voting. But it's incredibly odd you decide you'll vote for one of them instead of sticking to town unity.
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
Why would you decide to vote for either of them when the current idea is NeutralWatching is the most sus player? You can look into their argument, and carry into it for the next round of voting. But it's incredibly odd you decide you'll vote for one of them instead of sticking to town unity.
It's not odd...

If you think I am saving nw then

Vote Lynch neutralwatcher


and, you are the last person who should say anything because your didn't contribute at all. All the argument were put up by law and kiwi...

Just because I am skeptic on denim and Celestia case doesn't portray it odd..i want to be sure about their case....
 

TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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It's not odd...

If you think I am saving nw then

Vote Lynch neutralwatcher
I think that deciding to vote either Celestia or Drago at this stage is detrimental to the town. And you should have no reason to hinder us.

and, you are the last person who should say anything because your didn't contribute at all. All the argument were put up by law and kiwi...
Literally irrelevant.

Just because I am skeptic on denim and Celestia case doesn't portray it odd..i want to be sure about their case....
And increase the risks of a hung / RNG lynching if we somehow tie between one of them and Neutralwatching. Nonetheless, go on, break down their conversation. It just feels painfully odd for you to decide to vote one of them over the current suspicious party.
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
I think that deciding to vote either Celestia or Drago at this stage is detrimental to the town. And you should have no reason to hinder us.


Literally irrelevant.


And increase the risks of a hung / RNG lynching if we somehow tie between one of them and Neutralwatching. Nonetheless, go on, break down their conversation. It just feels painfully odd for you to decide to vote one of them over the current suspicious party.
Current suspicious party for whom? For you? Who decided that I cant look on other suspicous party?

Is their any rule that I have to go with majority vote and can't even look into detail of other players which is bugging me?

Is there any rule that I have to play by what you suggest to portray myself as townie? Nope... I don't play to please you or for me but to get scum reads and townie reads...and, for that I have to look into every possible scenario even if there is already a sus because one thing is sure that there are at least two sus

And, fyi what hindrance I caused? I appreciated both kiwi and law for their efforts... I Only said that I want to look into denim and Celestia case which is independent of nw..

And, fyi it was me who first said " they both are not scum. Either one of them is or both are townie". If I find both of them townie then I want all of us to focus on real threat and not get diverted into their bickering at each other which is happening since day 1..
 

TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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Current suspicious party for whom? For you? Who decided that I cant look on other suspicous party?
No. That Denim, Kiwi, Law and myself all suspect. And while you may be wary of bandwagons, Law/Denim have only proven themselves to be town and Kiwi hasn't given us any reason to doubt her.

No one said you can't look at another suspicious party. I'm saying that deciding to vote for another person NOW is suspicious.

Is their any rule that I have to go with majority vote and can't even look into detail of other players which is bugging me?
Why would you vote for someone you know won't be hung? As a form of protest against them? Explain this to me—simply stating that either of them are suspicious should suffice. Given the grounds players such as Law, Denim and Kiwi have taken to reread this thread, it's doubtful it'll be buried. And it's not like you can't make it memorable with a griping argument.

I fail to see the advantage town has by you deciding to vote against what 2 almost confirmed townies, 1 likely townie and myself suspect. Why break ranks in this way? What. Do. You. Gain?

Is there any rule that I have to play by what you suggest to portray myself as townie? Nope... I don't play to please you or for me but to get scum reads and townie reads...and, for that I have to look into every possible scenario even if there is already a sus because one thing is sure that there are at least two sus
Blah. Blah. Blah. You can get scum reads without wasting your vote. Or worse, wasting ours.

And, fyi what hindrance I caused? I appreciated both kiwi and law for their efforts... I Only said that I want to look into denim and Celestia case which is independent of nw..
You'll be trouble if you somehow stir others into voting for Celestia or Denim. Looking is absolutely fine. I hope you do, I hope you break down every last one of their posts in this thread. But unless you give us certifiable proof, beyond what has been shown for NeutralWatcher, I don't understand this notion you'll vote for him. Especially for how late in this voting round it is—five-ish hours remain and most N. American users will be asleep soon.

And, fyi it was me who first said " they both are not scum. Either one of them is or both are townie".
Doesn't matter. Of course one of them will be town if they bicker. But, most likely, both are.

If I find both of them townie then I want all of us to focus on real threat and not get diverted into their bickering at each other which is happening since day 1..
Okay. So, you don't want us to be divided, but you're also willing to vote for one and potentially divide us for this current hanging...
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
No. That Denim, Kiwi, Law and myself all suspect. And while you may be wary of bandwagons, Law/Denim have only proven themselves to be town and Kiwi hasn't given us any reason to doubt her.

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Oh really? What makes you think they are sure townie. Can you elaborate? And, aren't you the one who came up with reason that kiwi look a bit sus and now you are saying that there is no reason to sus her.... aren't you flipfloppin?

No
No one said you can't look at another suspicious party. I'm saying that deciding to vote for another person NOW is suspicious.

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I agree here that deciding to vote on someone else at this point can be look as suspicious. But did I decide to put vote on them? No I said I will look into their matter and if I find sus then I will.... haven't you heard of pressure tactics? Do you think if I would be Mafia then I would act this stupidly and cause unnecessary attention on me? Do you think a scum could afford to take such risk...

No


Why would you vote for someone you know won't be hung? As a form of protest against them? Explain this to me—simply stating that either of them are suspicious should suffice. Given the grounds players such as Law, Denim and Kiwi have taken to reread this thread, it's doubtful it'll be buried. And it's not like you can't make it memorable with a griping argument.

I fail to see the advantage town has by you deciding to vote against what 2 almost confirmed townies, 1 likely townie and myself suspect. Why break ranks in this way? What. Do. You. Gain?

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Gain? Let me ask you one question..what if NW flipped townie? What if we are wrong? Can you give me absolute gurantee that whatever happened isn't a set up by mafias?

Can you absolutely be sure about this? If yes then I rest my case here and you are right and I am wrong and would agree that casting vote on other would be scummy and a mistake on my part.....
Okay. So, you don't want us to be divided, but you're also willing to vote for one and potentially divide us for this current hanging...
This is where you are thinking different from me.

You are assuming that I will definitely cast a vote on either of them but I didn't say so nor I casted a vote on them..

You should have waited for my analysis before reaching to any conclusion regarding it......
 

TheAncientCenturion

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I think I am convinced by law and kiwi argument so far....

Those I am skeptic about denim and Celestia case and will look into their argument now..if I find something then I will be casting my vote on either of them...if both looks clean then it would be on what majority agreed.
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Oh really? What makes you think they are sure townie. Can you elaborate? And, aren't you the one who came up with reason that kiwi look a bit sus and now you are saying that there is no reason to sus her.... aren't you flipfloppin?

Please reread every time (I think it's only twice) I mentioned Kiwi potentially being sus. And, in both comments I pointed out that there's an equally likely chance of it being nonsense. But the Rej-Kiwi thing is something to keep in mind if other information comes to light. So, no, not flipflopping. I've stayed consistent this game, or when my views do change, I verbalize them. Like in the case of Denim, where I misjudged him Day 1 due to his take-charge attitude.

I agree here that deciding to vote on someone else at this point can be look as suspicious. But did I decide to put vote on them? No I said I will look into their matter and if I find sus then I will.... haven't you heard of pressure tactics? Do you think if I would be Mafia then I would act this stupidly and cause unnecessary attention on me? Do you think a scum could afford to take such risk...
So you'll risk potentially RNG-ing us, maybe unlikely but there, for a pressure vote? When a declaration can carry the same weight. For example, I could say; "I think Reborn is acting really suspicious, we should keep an eye on him or vote him up tomorrow." and still vote for Neutralwatcher. It still puts my intentions out there.

But sure, I guess deciding to vote for one of them doesn't say anything about how you're playing. Especially when you admitted to being suspicious of Neutral Watcher as well.

Gain? Let me ask you one question..what if NW flipped townie? What if we are wrong? Can you give me absolute gurantee that whatever happened isn't a set up by mafias?

Can you absolutely be sure about this? If yes then I rest my case here and you are right and I am wrong and would agree that casting vote on other would be scummy and a mistake on my part.....
What? How does any of this matter or pertain to my question to you; What do you gain from voting against the person you're currently convinced of is bad versus deciding to cast a vote on either Celestia or Denim? If you're convinced NeutralWatcher is bad, why wouldn't you stick on him and just make your thoughts on Celestia or Denim known for tomorrow? We will be rereading this day, regardless of whether NeutralWatcher is a misslynch or Scum.


This is where you are thinking different from me.

You are assuming that I will definitely cast a vote on either of them but I didn't say so nor I casted a vote on them..

You should have waited for my analysis before reaching to any conclusion regarding it......
No; I quoted you perfectly above.

If you reread their exchanges and find one of them sus, you will vote for whoever you find sus (from said exchange).

However, you already find NeutralWatcher sus. Convinced, I might add (and will quote below). Yet, you decide to go off the reservation? To what end? What will a pressure vote do that a declaration wouldn't, besides of course risking this voting outcome?

Reborn said:
I think I am convinced by law and kiwi argument so far....
I quite literally cannot wrap my head around this decision. Maybe this is some advanced, super pro mafia meta play I'm not experienced enough to understand. But it feels needless in the best interpretations.
 
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Dragomir

Damn, TAC is making some solid points against Reborn. Y'all got me questioning my town reads here.

I'ma go ahead and join the NW wagon. Believe it or not, this lynch will provide some solid info. I think it's very likely that if anybody gonna be teammates, it'd be Reborn and NW.

Unvote
Vote lynch Neutral Watcher
 
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NeutralWatcher

I have few questions for you. Don't Dodge them if you are townie.


First you casted vote out of nowhere on these two that too in your first post

Question 1)Why double vote? Didn't you read the op?

Question 2) if you would have been in my place then would you perceive this act as newbie mistake or mafia playing dumb? Justify

Then your second post is this

Question 3) in your second post you jumped to rej and called him sus.What changed you mind from denim and Celestia to rej?

I can't quote further so will mention here.

On page 6, you shifted from rej to denim and casted vote on him.

Question 4) what in the world changed your mind again from rej to denim to such extent that you even casted vote on him?

On page 8, you again changed your mind to Celestia and called her sus...

Question 5) aren't you changing your stance too frequently?

Question 6) you only made 5 post and all of them are like this with no reads on game play and on others. Why? I am sure you are smart enough to give your opinion and reads then why being so secretive?
Sorry for answering right now. I'll try to answer as best as I can.

1. I actually only read half of the rules so that was my mistake. It won't happen again.

2. I think newbie mistake. What I did was angelshooting. Celestia acted like she knew Denim and their conversation was about OJ which has nothing to do with the game.

3. I realized my first post was angelshooting. I suspected Rej because he unvoted twice like he was told by someone. He seemed to flip flop between his choice to vote between Celestia or Denim.

4. The reason why I suspected Denim was because he is experienced player and he wanted to direct people attention to lynch Celestia. In the previous game TAC did the same thing. I only saw Kiwipom post tbh not the whole game but according to her post TAC tried to direct people attention and that was what Denim did.
:pepeke: Your strategies never work
I suspected Celestia because in d1 she suspected 3 people. And in the second day before being lynched by Denim she was passive.

5. It was my first mafia game so i made some mistakes.

6. I'll try to read this thread again to grasp what happens.
 
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