Versus Battle Phantom Troupe vs Big Meme Pirates ( minus Meme)

[Sentinel]

Enel is a lightning man, but his strongest attack isnt anywhere close to the power of an actual lightning bolt.

We're back at square one, huh? "It's not like real life physics and thus it can't be true!". Gotcha.
Enel can decide how strong his lightnings has to be but his lightning always travel at the same speed; lightning speed. It is ludicrous to believe Kizaru is the only exception among them.

When was it mentioned that not all attacks move with the speed of light? Can you provide something for your assertion?

How can you perfectly portray the speed of light as speed of light? What the actual fuck?

As of now, his lazers arent said to be LS.

The databook basically disagree with your since it basically confirmed Kizaru's attack speed = SoL.

Its not nitpicking. Its debunking.

It is nitpicking, though.
I'm very fair when it comes to compare two different verses; but if a verse doesn't have the feats to keep up with another, I won't wank their overrated feats into heaven - that's the difference.

Aokiji is a Chilly Chilly man.

Relax dude, I said "Aokiji creating ice isn't real ice", I didn't say Aokiji only creates ice, his power is the coldness after all.
Still doesn't change the fact that he creates ice out of freezing something.

Get your facts straight.

These are all elements in a manga where the author isnt a scientist.

Nobody expects the author to be a scientiest; but at the end, you still have to measure the feats of several verses.

I mean, these sites have profiles of numerous of verses, how can you expect to measure feats by your method? You cannot do any crossover battles like that - and thus they have rules like that, a tiering system for durability, AP, speed and so on.
In addition, try to measure the speed of 30 different verses; this author portrays the speed of light differently than the other one. Good luck in looking for mistakes for over 30 different verses. I'm sure you would do great!

You will always find many mishaps on a single verse, have fun.

Why would it be baseless ?

It's - as you said - just aura and the light-like visuals doesn't really mean it is natural light.

 

[Chrono]

We're back at square one, huh? "It's not like real life physics and thus it can't be true!". Gotcha.
Enel can decide how strong his lightnings has to be but his lightning always travel at the same speed; lightning speed. It is ludicrous to believe Kizaru is the only exception among them.


When was it mentioned that not all attacks move with the speed of light? Can you provide something for your assertion?

How can you perfectly portray the speed of light as speed of light? What the actual fuck?

But his strongest isnt eemven close to the power of a real lightning bolt
Where do you have his lightning always travels at the same speed. People like Nami can react to some of his lightning but then you have people like Zoro not being able to. Would you say both lightnings are on the same speed lvl. Come onnnn

Was it mentioned that all attacks do ?

When it actually works like light or is stated to be speed of light. Anything else is a mythical light that shouldnt be held to the standarda of the real world.

The databook basically disagree with your since it basically confirmed Kizaru's attack speed = SoL.

Bitch where ????

It is nitpicking, though.
I'm very fair when it comes to compare two different verses; but if a verse doesn't have the feats to keep up with another, I won't wank their overrated feats into heaven - that's the difference.

And again what feats do you have.

Nobody expects the author to be a scientiest; but at the end, you still have to measure the feats of several verses.

I mean, these sites have profiles of numerous of verses, how can you expect to measure feats by your method? You cannot do any crossover battles like that - and thus they have rules like that, a tiering system for durability, AP, speed and so on.
In addition, try to measure the speed of 30 different verses; this author portrays the speed of light differently than the other one. Good luck in looking for mistakes for over 30 different verses. I'm sure you would do great!

You will always find many mishaps on a single verse, have fun.

Why are using sites that take the element for granted ? Its retarded in the first place to use its actual real life speed. When the author especially is known for inconsistent measurements. At the very least Togashi tries to incorperate real life scaling into it. So perhaps he puts actual thought into it. But you Oda who has created a "Lightning Man" yet his strongest attack doesnt actually generate the same power of an actual lightning bolt. Its pure bulshit scaling. And unfair.

It's - as you said - just aura and the light-like visuals doesn't really mean it is natural light.

Who said Kizaru's is natural light. Its DF created. Why is it more accurate if its DF then if it is Aura ?

 

[Steven]

You know,DC and Dura>Speed

It was allways the case and will be allways the case,except you have super strong non NLF hax

 

[Chrono]

You know,DC and Dura>Speed

It was allways the case and will be allways the case,except you have super strong non NLF hax

Are you saying DC and Dura are more important ?

 

[Steven]

Are you saying DC and Dura are more important ?

Ofc

 

[Chrono]

Ofc

Like I said Katakuri bareky has impressive DC feats compared to them.

 

[Steven]

Like I said Katakuri bareky has impressive DC feats compared to them.

Kata and Co. scales to much higher stuff than the PT

 

[Dark Admiral]

People in WG downplays HunterXHunter way too much. I don't know why is that but yeah Phantom Troupe has fair chance to win this battle. Each of them can be compared to YC tier at the least. With so much of versatile powers who can go toe to toe with any of BMPs. Uvogin should be matched with Katakuri IMO. Chrollo can freely take out any of the BMP top tiers at his leisure. Fietan has far more of a speed feat than lazy ass Smoothie. She will be lucky enough to match him on speed. Illumi will solo cracker and his biscuit army with obvious reasons. Kortopi can create an equal amount of soldiers to match Big Mom’s chess soldiers. Nobunaga can cut through the long necked woman and her sword. Phinks can go on One-shotting Spree dame goes for Bonolenov with his Jupiter. Shalimar can easily manipulate any mid-tier Big Mom Pirate to fight for him. Any wild cards like Oven and Daifuku will be countered by Hisoka or Franklin.
once again, the downplay for HxH is far too great in WG. It’s getting to the point where it’s not even worth to defend it.

 

[Chrono]

Kata and Co. scales to much higher stuff than the PT

Wheres the proof. Kata's strongest attack doesnt even have that much impressive DC.

 

[Chrono]

People in WG downplays HunterXHunter way too much. I don't know why is that but yeah Phantom Troupe has fair chance to win this battle. Each of them can be compared to YC tier at the least. With so much of versatile powers who can go toe to toe with any of BMPs. Uvogin should be matched with Katakuri IMO. Chrollo can freely take out any of the BMP top tiers at his leisure. Fietan has far more of a speed feat than lazy ass Smoothie. She will be lucky enough to match him on speed. Illumi will solo cracker and his biscuit army with obvious reasons. Kortopi can create an equal amount of soldiers to match Big Mom’s chess soldiers. Nobunaga can cut through the long necked woman and her sword. Phinks can go on One-shotting Spree dame goes for Bonolenov with his Jupiter. Shalimar can easily manipulate any mid-tier Big Mom Pirate to fight for him. Any wild cards like Oven and Daifuku will be countered by Hisoka or Franklin.
once again, the downplay for HxH is far too great in WG. It’s getting to the point where it’s not even worth to defend it.

Yh I think this will be my last thread. Its amazing how they believe DF are = real life. However if we were to do that with nen, especially with emitters and transmuters.....we could say that their attacks that are made from light ( aura), are lightspeed. That would mean, Hisoka/Razor/Silva/Zenos/Machi etc....all have lightspeed attacks....since their attacks is just aura manipulated. And aura is light.

 

[Shuyaku]

You know,DC and Dura>Speed

It was allways the case and will be allways the case,except you have super strong non NLF hax

Hell no. What's the point of being several times more durable and powerful than someone when you have no chance of tagging them ? Likewise what's the point of being much faster when you can't hurt someone, all these things are equal.

 

[Finalbeta]

Post Rose Meruem should have country DC now that I think of it

 

[Shuyaku]

Wheres the proof. Kata's strongest attack doesnt even have that much impressive DC.

It scales higher than the destruction it caused on-panel. You don't need to destroy a city to scale to city level for instance. Kuri can match EG with much weaker attacks than Buzz Mochi.

 

[Steven]

Hell no. What's the point of being several times more durable and powerful than someone when you have no chance of tagging them ? Likewise what's the point of being much faster when you can't hurt someone, all these things are equal.

You can just wait until your opponent runs out of stamina or trash him/her with AoE attacks

The faster fighter cant do shit if your opponent has to much dura.Its like YOU would punch a wall.

 

[Shuyaku]

You can just wait until your opponent runs out of stamina or trash him/her with AoE attacks

That's assumming the speedster has shit stamina to begin with, and that the opponent won't die from getting attacked endlessly beforehand. If the speedster has building level AP while the durability specialist can tank country level attacks effortlessly then it's an entirely different scenario. There's many variables that go into this, saying speed is the least important is plain wrong.

 

[Chrono]

It scales higher than the destruction it caused on-panel. You don't need to destroy a city to scale to city level for instance. Kuri can match EG with much weaker attacks than Buzz Mochi.

Yh but its not like that attack was clashing with anything. It was a full out attack, and all it did was that much damage. Which isnt amaziing for HxH standards.

 

[Sentinel]

But his strongest isnt eemven close to the power of a real lightning bolt

What makes you think that?
Enel's strongest lightning attack managed to nuke an entire island. And even real life lightning extremely varies in its forms. You cannot put the strongest lightning as a generel measurement of all lightnings. That's simply false.

Where do you have his lightning always travels at the same speed.

Where do you have his lightning doesn't always travel at the same speed?
Mate, you are coming up with newer garbage all the time; not all of Kizaru's attacks are lightning, not all of Enel's lightning attacks travel with lightning (although Luffy just kicked through lightning which stroke from the clouds and hence, it was natural lightning, keep crying), what's next?
Who says Killua's lightning is lightning speed? I can play the same fucking game, dude.

People like Nami reacted on which lightning? She was using lightning against Kalifa; Kalifa IS the one who performed this massively hypersonic+ feat, NOT Nami. Big difference.

Zoro did not react on lightning? When? Proof it.

Of course I would say it; both lightning feats - Luffy kicking lightning away and Kalifa reacting to natural lightning point blank - are legit and thus are accepted for said reasons.

Was it mentioned that all attacks do

The databook mentioned that Kizaru attacks are light speed as well.
And now, it is your turn: When was it mentioned that not all attacks move with the speed of light? Can you provide something for your assertion?

Can you prove it or will you claim your usual blabla? Don't worry, I'll wait.

When it actually works like light or is stated to be speed of light.

It was stated that Kizaru moves and attacks with speed of light; can you come up with something different than irrelevant trash?

Dude, what the actual fuck are you talking about? What is "mythical light"?
Kizaru's light is natural just like every other logia power since they are based on natural elements, why can't you comprehend this basic shit?

Bitch where ????

It is here, bitch:

"Kizaru spams attacks with light speed", debunked once again.

And again what feats do you have.

Already posted some above.

Why are using sites that take the element for granted ?

It's because they have the basics and rules for crossover battles.
What you are basically doing is debating these battles like the usual inverse battles. Nobody cares what you think the character could show something or not and nobody cares what real life physics are really capable of.

Of course outliers play a huge role but these MHS+ feats are nowhere as inconsistent as you describe it to be, pulling something out on your ass is always easy but try to measure the strength and speed of 30 different verses; that's why they have terms whether a feat fits these criterias or not.
In other words, as I have said: I mean, these sites have profiles of numerous of verses, how can you expect to measure feats by your method? You cannot do any crossover battles like that - and thus they have rules like that, a tiering system for durability, AP, speed and so on.
In addition, try to measure the speed of 30 different verses; this author portrays the speed of light differently than the other one. Good luck in looking for mistakes for over 30 different verses. I'm sure you would do great!

What kind of author doesn't have inconsistent speed feats? Heck, you can find lots of inconsistent speed feats in DB... Doesn't mean all speed feats are irrelevant.

Sure, sure - and HxH still has no MHS+ speed feats, whether you like it or not.

It doesn't really matter whether Enel's lightning only has 200 million volt or even more than 1 billion volt; Oda, the author, stated that Enel moves with lightning speed.
That's a statement you can do absolutely nothing about. Just deal with it.

No, it is perfect logical scaling, you just don't know the basics of crossover battles yet. Hence nothing about that is unfair, the HxH verse is simply massively weaker than the OP verse, simple as that.

Who said Kizaru's is natural light.

Logia powers are mainly elemental, hence natural.
Are you sure we're reading the same manga?

Yh but its not like that attack was clashing with anything. It was a full out attack, and all it did was that much damage. Which isnt amaziing for HxH standards.

Bro, he just explained you that attack potency doesn't necessarily mean you have to destroy city x or country y to be considered as a city or country buster, scaling is important.

 

[Chrono]

What makes you think that?
Enel's strongest lightning attack managed to nuke an entire island. And even real life lightning extremely varies in its forms. You cannot put the strongest lightning as a generel measurement of all lightnings. That's simply false.

Volts measures how much power the lightning has. 1 billion >> 200 million. Even if Enel has shown more DC than actual lightning, in reality an actual lightning bolt still has more power.

Where do you have his lightning doesn't always travel at the same speed?
Mate, you are coming up with newer garbage all the time; not all of Kizaru's attacks are lightning, not all of Enel's lightning attacks travel with lightning (although Luffy just kicked through lightning which stroke from the clouds and hence, it was natural lightning, keep crying), what's next?
Who says Killua's lightning is lightning speed? I can play the same fucking game, dude.

People like Nami reacted on which lightning? She was using lightning against Kalifa; Kalifa IS the one who performed this massively hypersonic+ feat, NOT Nami. Big difference.

Zoro did not react on lightning? When? Proof it.

Of course I would say it; both lightning feats - Luffy kicking lightning away and Kalifa reacting to natural lightning point blank - are legit and thus are accepted for said reasons.

Like I said, in Skypeia Nami reacted to weaker attack....whilst Zoro couldnt react to a stronger attack. This has nothing to do with the Ennies Lobby Kalifa shite.

Here you have Wiper and Zoro, both above Nami in every physical stat. But they couldnt react to lightning unlike Nami who is much weaker. Now would you say the lightning was the same speed ?

And I never have said Killua is lightning speed. I accept that he isnt lightning speed. It isnt confirmed, it is merely just the name of an attack.

It's because they have the basics and rules for crossover battles.
What you are basically doing is debating these battles like the usual inverse battles. Nobody cares what you think the character could show something or not and nobody cares what real life physics are really capable of.

Of course outliers play a huge role but these MHS+ feats are nowhere as inconsistent as you describe it to be, pulling something out on your ass is always easy but try to measure the strength and speed of 30 different verses; that's why they have terms whether a feat fits these criterias or not.
In other words, as I have said: I mean, these sites have profiles of numerous of verses, how can you expect to measure feats by your method? You cannot do any crossover battles like that - and thus they have rules like that, a tiering system for durability, AP, speed and so on.
In addition, try to measure the speed of 30 different verses; this author portrays the speed of light differently than the other one. Good luck in looking for mistakes for over 30 different verses. I'm sure you would do great!

What kind of author doesn't have inconsistent speed feats? Heck, you can find lots of inconsistent speed feats in DB... Doesn't mean all speed feats are irrelevant.

Sure, sure - and HxH still has no MHS+ speed feats, whether you like it or not.

It doesn't really matter whether Enel's lightning only has 200 million volt or even more than 1 billion volt; Oda, the author, stated that Enel moves with lightning speed.
That's a statement you can do absolutely nothing about. Just deal with it.

No, it is perfect logical scaling, you just don't know the basics of crossover battles yet. Hence nothing about that is unfair, the HxH verse is simply massively weaker than the OP verse, simple as that.

Yet it also generally accepted that if the matter doesnt share the same properties as it does in real life, then it shouldnt be used to gauge speed unless it is said to be that speed. In this case, real life lazers are intangible and are reflected. Lazers in OP dont work like that...so again with LS conformation. It isnt that speed.

And again did I say that Kizaru themselves arent Light/Lightning speed. Obviously they have to turn into their elements....however im talking about the speed of their projectiles.

Logia powers are mainly elemental, hence natural.
Are you sure we're reading the same manga?

It isnt. Because would shooting light cause explosions. Would having the power of sand, allowing to suck put moisture, would darkness give you the power to steal abilities. Obviously its all mythical. Oda doesnt care if its natural or not. Its his definition of what the power would do. Its sad cause Oda doesnt give us much as fuck as yall do. Yet hes still mark enough to show that Yata no Kagami and Noro beam move differently to a lazer. Yet yall still think its LS.

Bro, he just explained you that attack potency doesn't necessarily mean you have to destroy city x or country y to be considered as a city or country buster, scaling is important.

But that attack wasnt potentent anyways. It didnt do anything to Luffy the first time. And he got up pretty confortably. His trident did more damage, so Katakuri would be more lethal than destructive.

Again if you dont show the feats then why would I give the benefit of the doubt. Yall didnt do the same for Post Rose Mereum even though in my opinion he could easily be a country buster.

 

[Steven]

Wheres the proof. Kata's strongest attack doesnt even have that much impressive DC.

N1gga was strong enough to stagger G4 Boundman and matching G4 Snakeman.Its crystal clear that he scales to G4

G4 Luffy is around 4.57 GT´s.From where do it comes?Luffy fights against a casual Fuji and Fuji´s "Rubble" feat is 1.989 GT´s.G4 gets a x3 multiplier which puts him at 5.967 GT´s(Small Islandlevel).And Cracker/Smoothie scales to that as well

Meanwhile the PT members are just MCB+

 

[Chrono]

N1gga was strong enough to stagger G4 Boundman and matching G4 Snakeman.Its crystal clear that he scales to G4

G4 Luffy is around 4.57 GT´s.From where do it comes?Luffy fights against a casual Fuji and Fuji´s "Rubble" feat is 1.989 GT´s.G4 gets a x3 multiplier which puts him at 5.967 GT´s(Small Islandlevel).And Cracker/Smoothie scales to that as well

Meanwhile the PT members are just MCB+

- We dont know how impressive G4 would be in HxH. So use Luffy as feat is really questionable. Its like using Kurapika injuring Uvogin with punches and saying it is impressive in terms of OP world. Or Killua blitzing Youpi. Their impressive in their own verses the feats arent transmitable.
- I dont know why your bringing up the Fujitora feat. WCI Luffy isnt anywhere close to his lvl. And Fujitora was toying with him. Again why even bring it up.


Stop using acronyms