Current Events Yes, Luffy Did Die, and Is Now Possessed by Joy Boy.

#23
so Shirahoshi is not really Shirahoshi but possessed by Poseidon?
and Momo is not really Momo but possessed by the former Kozuki most likely Uramus?
that is bullshit., Poseidon, Joyboy , Uranus, Sun God nika, are epithers. Luffy was always Joyboy he just awakened the power that enable Zunisha to communicate with him as well.
Luffy awakened his powers gradually.
in Zunisha he was only able to hear Zunisha , in Wano he was able to communicate with Momo and Law's crew, and when this time he will be able to talk to Zunisha himself instead of asking Momo to do it.
what happened in 1043

1)Luffy was said to have died
2) Law and momonosuke confirm Luffy's death
3)Zunesha said joyboy has returned
4) We see something strange happen to Luffy's body and he has a weird grin on his face
This is nothing like shirahoshi
 
#25
Not at all, he writes Luffy to lose against virtually every opponent he faces at least once, that's not spitting in Luffy's face, that's just what he does.

We'll see, it's not going to be "Joyboy vs Kaido" because chances are that Luffy is Joyboy, they're not separate so you can't give the win to one and not the other.
Luffy didn't lose once, he lost 4 fucking times and the Narration box literally said that Kaido defeated Luffy. Luffy canonically lost his fight against kaido.

So it doesn't make sense for Luffy to come back 3 chapters later and for the narration box to now declare for Luffy.
 
#27
what happened in 1043

1)Luffy was said to have died
2) Law and momonosuke confirm Luffy's death
3)Zunesha said joyboy has returned
4) We see something strange happen to Luffy's body and he has a weird grin on his face
This is nothing like shirahoshi
they confirmed that his Voice was gone, if he died as friends they will be devastated man, if he was died they would just say so just like Kaido himself said.
and only Kaido said he was died he did that in chapter 1014 too, so?
Luffy is Joyboy since he has the same powers, Joyboy is an epithet for those who has the power.
Sure Luffy's DF is awakened and sure he grins since he hears Zunisha too, and feels his power.
Luffy was always Joyboy but he gained the power of the first Joyboy gradually just like Joyboy himself most likely did.
alll we have that Luffy's heart stopped for a while or was too weak to be heard. that happens even in real life some people declared dead and later they come to life again.
 

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#28
Luffy is joyboy



And, it will be Luffy vs kaido again.



Oda literally made Luffy scream everytime "I am Monkey D. luffy and I will be before PK"


That's oda saying Luffy will remain Luffy..


Joyboy is dead long time ago. The drums of liberation which is linked with Luffy's heart beat is nothing but Gomu Gomu no mi awakening.


That doesn't mean Luffy itself is gone
 
#30
Luffy didn't lose once, he lost 4 fucking times and the Narration box literally said that Kaido defeated Luffy. Luffy canonically lost his fight against kaido.

So it doesn't make sense for Luffy to come back 3 chapters later and for the narration box to now declare for Luffy.
Luffy lost to Crocodile multiple times and still came back to kick his ass

The narration card is pointing out that Kaido won because he literally killed Luffy, but Oda having Luffy revive and come back to kick Kaido's ass would be subverting expectations.
 
#31
Nothing you said suggests Luffy is possessed, he could just be revived by whatever power is being awakened.

And no, if you really think Oda would attribute Kaido's victory to "JoyBoy" instead of Luffy then you must be a new reader, Oda wanks Luffy beyond anybody else, to even contemplate him undermining Luffy like that is insanity.
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#32
Luffy didn't lose once, he lost 4 fucking times and the Narration box literally said that Kaido defeated Luffy. Luffy canonically lost his fight against kaido.

So it doesn't make sense for Luffy to come back 3 chapters later and for the narration box to now declare for Luffy.
The narrator talks about rooftop battle, which Kaido has won...if the next round take place anywhere else,the victory will still count for the winner
 
#36
In this chapter, Kaido says Luffy is dead. Law confirms it and so does Momonosuke. Momo in particular has a psychic link to luffy, so if he says it, its probably true.

But beyond everyone's words, one thing beyond everything confirms Luffy's death. That is the narration box. If you've noticed, the narration box doesn't declare a victory unless it is absolute.

Like take Kid and Law vs Big Mom. Kid and Law were knocked out, if only for a few seconds, by big mom. Yet in that moment, the narration box didn't declare a victory for big mom. The narration box only declared a victory once the victory was absolute. When Linlin was pushed off onigashima and nuked, she is done for the arc. We haven't heard from her since. Kid and Law's victory is absolute.

My point is, it wouldn't make sense for the narration box to declare for kaido if Luffy was just going to get back up and win. The narration box surely didn't declare for kaido in chapter 1009, nor did it do so when Luffy was KO'd shortly after 1010.

The narration box declaring for kaido means that luffy is done for this arc. He's been KO'd and likely killed. What we saw at the end of 1043 wasn't Luffy, it was Joyboy, just as zunesha said.

When "luffy" finally beats kaido, the narration box won't say Luffy is the winner, it will say Joyboy is the winner.
So you want Luffy not to actually surpass Kaidou in a battle for PK candidacy, but depending on Joy Boy to win? I disagree with you, if we gonna betray the main narrative this way, might as well have Zoro call Ryuma+Kuina's spirit from the past in order to defeat Mihawk.
 
#37
I think its one piece suicide if oda goes the route of upholding a luffy loss
and a boyjoy takeover from now till the end of the fight
I think it would go against who luffy is as a character
I think he would prefer to lose vs kaido than win in such a weird manner
I just dont see it.

so I dont think thats the case
luffy simply is "boyjoy " coming back to finish what he couldn't years prior
its playing on the idea of inherited will and so on.
 

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#38
I think its one piece suicide if oda goes the route of upholding a luffy loss
and a boyjoy takeover from now till the end of the fight
I think it would go against who luffy is as a character
I think he would prefer to lose vs kaido than win in such a weird manner
I just dont see it.

so I dont think thats the case
luffy simply is "boyjoy " coming back to finish what he couldn't years prior
its playing on the idea of inherited will and so on.
Oda ain't got the balls to make soyboy aizen this shit for centuries
 
#40
There so many options first

The fruit is awakening what the gorosei feared that makes the one Joyboy whoever eats the gum gum no mi and awakens the power is gonna become a joyboy not the one 900 years ago

The second option is Luffy is joyboy reborn Joyboy predicted he would rise again after a period of time
Roger confirmed that he was too early for the one piece and Oden and Toki believed that Joyboy would visit Wano 20 years later that's why she sent her Retainers 20 years into the future so Joyboy believed let's alter 820 years he will come back

From that we can conclude Joyboy has a ability to transced time and revive himself in form of Luffy
In that case Luffy is directly Joyboy they are the same person

Third option Joyboy is Joyboy
Luffy is Luffy just Joyboys soul randomly picked up Luffy
 
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