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I'm going beyond mine, though.
No, youve taken the tolerance extended in exchange for co-operation. Thats always been the deal. I didnt choose to make you indies, Id rather you were both just town, but you arent. You have been willing to leverage the fact you can 'side with scum', so now you forfeit any good will.

Ive told you, I will help flower. Thats because I made a deal to that end, which I will stick to. The moment I use an ability on her, Ive helped more than I should.
 

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No, youve taken the tolerance extended in exchange for co-operation. Thats always been the deal. I didnt choose to make you indies, Id rather you were both just town, but you arent. You have been willing to leverage the fact you can 'side with scum', so now you forfeit any good will.

Ive told you, I will help flower. Thats because I made a deal to that end, which I will stick to. The moment I use an ability on her, Ive helped more than I should.
What part of "I need to win with town" is not clear? I can't scum side, not without violating my wincon. I haven't received any tolerance - town can't kill me, they can't assist me, and my role is designed to help town from a balance perspective. Without it, town would not win this game. If you wanted to use a game removal to get me out, or to lynch me, then you'd be consigning yourself to defeat. So you don't have the flexibility here. You realise the only reason I've claimed Indie at all is in the interests of full transparency, and that I could just as easily have pretended to be a member of the Town, yes?
 
What part of "I need to win with town" is not clear? I can't scum side, not without violating my wincon. I haven't received any tolerance - town can't kill me, they can't assist me, and my role is designed to help town from a balance perspective. Without it, town would not win this game. If you wanted to use a game removal to get me out, or to lynch me, then you'd be consigning yourself to defeat. So you don't have the flexibility here. You realise the only reason I've claimed Indie at all is in the interests of full transparency, and that I could just as easily have pretended to be a member of the Town, yes?
Youd have been better served doing just that, in truth

And if this is true, then you havent been playing beyond your wincon have you?

Its either to help town and use every tool you have at your disposal, or to pick a winner and side with hem, but abandon the moral high ground. Cant have it both ways.

We only need to find 1, maybe 2 more scum. Im failing to see where your survival in particular is essential to that endeavour?
 
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