Speculations Is Wano Really Zoro’s Arc? The Difference Between a Broken Promise and an Unfulfilled Expectation.
Kin'emon says The shogun and kaido boiled oden alive in Zou.
And since when have I said Orochi is worth an actual fight? I'm literally the first person who made a thread that Orochi was fodder back in Oro Jackson from the very first chapter we saw him. And I haven't changed my mind that he's pure fodder. That doesn't mean he isn't literally the secondary antagonist of this arc who is responsible for literally almost all the bad shit that's happened.
Also why has Zoro's chance of fighting kaido dropped? I for one started seeing this as a possiblitiy the moment Zoro got offered Enma. Has Zoro lost Enma now?
And since when have I said Orochi is worth an actual fight? I'm literally the first person who made a thread that Orochi was fodder back in Oro Jackson from the very first chapter we saw him. And I haven't changed my mind that he's pure fodder. That doesn't mean he isn't literally the secondary antagonist of this arc who is responsible for literally almost all the bad shit that's happened.
Also why has Zoro's chance of fighting kaido dropped? I for one started seeing this as a possiblitiy the moment Zoro got offered Enma. Has Zoro lost Enma now?
Dont remember. But its not like I take Sanji seriously anymore anyways. Hes fights are pretty much worthless because of the RS. Once he loses it and gets fights, then I will take him seriously.
You dont understand how different it is for both of them. It wasnt like Sanji was ever in a Martial Arts Arc...on the other hand this is the best arc for Zoro. And if he doesnt do anything of note, then he might as well be forgotten.
You dont understand how different it is for both of them. It wasnt like Sanji was ever in a Martial Arts Arc...on the other hand this is the best arc for Zoro. And if he doesnt do anything of note, then he might as well be forgotten.
You seem under the impression I'm saying Zoro is more important in Wano, and it's more his arc, because he's fighting Kaido.
Let's be clear, that is the furthest thing from what I'm saying.
Zoro, even if he never even sees Kaido, is more important to the arc than Kid and Law. There is far more to the story than being Luffy's backup in a fight.
It just so happens that, given Zoro's carrying around Oden's sword and used to carry around Ryuma sword, yes, there's reason to think that like them he's going to have a fight with a dragon on Wano.
Comparing Wano to Dressrosa is pointless. There, the situations were reversed. Law clearly had more build up with Doflamingo than Zoro did. Zoro was a comparatively bit part player in that arc, he got his usual fight with the strongest subordinate, and he got some setup for the future by hanging around with the Red Scabbards (another big Wano alert) and Fujitora. Whereas Law was at the heart of the fight with Doflamingo- his history with him was the catalyst for the arc.
Since then, though, Law's importance has waned. He's here because the story needs him still to be kicking around, but the heart of his plot was the conflict with Doflamingo, and that's done now.
Kid's importance in on the rise, but his grudge with Kaido is seriously lacking. He's angry with him cause... Kaido beat him up and gave Killer a SMILE. That's it. He's a side player to the main conflict of Luffy, Zoro and the Scabbards vs Kaido and Orochi. We expect him to have a decent enough role in the finale because he hasn't actually done anything yet, but that's about it for him. I'd actually argue that we should be expecting more from Kid if we ever get to see him in an arc with Shanks, because there's more narrative set up for that to be important to Kid. It was the Red Hairs that cut off his arm, it was Shanks he was aiming to defeat. Plus they're from the same sea. There's an actual story there that's very lacking with Kid's involvement in the Wano arc.
Let's be clear, that is the furthest thing from what I'm saying.
Zoro, even if he never even sees Kaido, is more important to the arc than Kid and Law. There is far more to the story than being Luffy's backup in a fight.
It just so happens that, given Zoro's carrying around Oden's sword and used to carry around Ryuma sword, yes, there's reason to think that like them he's going to have a fight with a dragon on Wano.
Comparing Wano to Dressrosa is pointless. There, the situations were reversed. Law clearly had more build up with Doflamingo than Zoro did. Zoro was a comparatively bit part player in that arc, he got his usual fight with the strongest subordinate, and he got some setup for the future by hanging around with the Red Scabbards (another big Wano alert) and Fujitora. Whereas Law was at the heart of the fight with Doflamingo- his history with him was the catalyst for the arc.
Since then, though, Law's importance has waned. He's here because the story needs him still to be kicking around, but the heart of his plot was the conflict with Doflamingo, and that's done now.
Kid's importance in on the rise, but his grudge with Kaido is seriously lacking. He's angry with him cause... Kaido beat him up and gave Killer a SMILE. That's it. He's a side player to the main conflict of Luffy, Zoro and the Scabbards vs Kaido and Orochi. We expect him to have a decent enough role in the finale because he hasn't actually done anything yet, but that's about it for him. I'd actually argue that we should be expecting more from Kid if we ever get to see him in an arc with Shanks, because there's more narrative set up for that to be important to Kid. It was the Red Hairs that cut off his arm, it was Shanks he was aiming to defeat. Plus they're from the same sea. There's an actual story there that's very lacking with Kid's involvement in the Wano arc.
Oda never said Wano will be Zoro's arc. Put that aside he is the 2nd SH for importance and the last time we saw him before Wano was Dressrosa so 2 years ago, add to that that there is a ton of sword stuff to be talked about in Wano: country of samurais, Ryuma's country which is important both for Zoro and for Shusui, Zoro's origins most likely, swordsmith and now also a new sword which has completely different features from the "standard" ones seen so far.
And indeed Zoro is eating imo a bigger part of the plot than usual, he is even getting his own subplot: Yasu, Hyiori, almost personal beef with Kaido's buddy Orochi.
To conclcude it is not his arc, nobody bar maybe some fans said it, but he is getting now what he deserves and we are just in the middle of the story.
And indeed Zoro is eating imo a bigger part of the plot than usual, he is even getting his own subplot: Yasu, Hyiori, almost personal beef with Kaido's buddy Orochi.
To conclcude it is not his arc, nobody bar maybe some fans said it, but he is getting now what he deserves and we are just in the middle of the story.
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Ohhh finally you have come put and said what you really mean.
Hahaha, after five pages of dancing around pretending that you actually care about the plot and characters and themes, you've finally made your point. You are just talking about beating kaido.
Hehehe, let me guess, you expect Oda to somehow show a visible measure of how much each person who attacks kaido has done. Like kaido has an HP bar like a video game character above his head and you are just waiting to measure whuch amount of damage does what huh?
Hahaha good luck.
Hahaha, after five pages of dancing around pretending that you actually care about the plot and characters and themes, you've finally made your point. You are just talking about beating kaido.
Hehehe, let me guess, you expect Oda to somehow show a visible measure of how much each person who attacks kaido has done. Like kaido has an HP bar like a video game character above his head and you are just waiting to measure whuch amount of damage does what huh?
Hahaha good luck.
You mean Kid is having Haki training in advanced armament specifically to beat Kaido? Or does Kid have a sword that forces you train your armament to ridiculous levels to handle and is also a representation of the will of Oden, the only man to have cut Kaido before?
Hmmmmm, I did not know kid also had so much build up to even scratch kaido
Hmmmmm, I did not know kid also had so much build up to even scratch kaido
I said Kid will MAYBE magnet away Kaido's club and that's his contribution to the fight against kaido. I mean we've never ever seen Kid do anything that impressive at all ever in the series. But who knows, maybe he can actually disarm a top tier by the grace of Goda.
Then I said Zoro is set up to cut Kaido after training to and having a quick fight with King to level up a little bit.
I don't know what you are reading out of this but that's about it
Then I said Zoro is set up to cut Kaido after training to and having a quick fight with King to level up a little bit.
I don't know what you are reading out of this but that's about it
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Again I never mentioned Law.
Why you bring him ?
Reading things no one typed?
Anyways I'll answer your need of attention.
They are not rivals cuz Kid simply doesn't have things to compete with current Luffy.
Show you where Luffy thinks less of kid?
A better question would be to show you where Luffy cares about kid which he doesn't.
Portrayed next to Luffy ?
Like Capone and Cesar last arc?
Is time to leave that cloud Ndule the next PK doesn't need cheap wannabe rivals.
Why you bring him ?
Reading things no one typed?
Anyways I'll answer your need of attention.
They are not rivals cuz Kid simply doesn't have things to compete with current Luffy.
Show you where Luffy thinks less of kid?
A better question would be to show you where Luffy cares about kid which he doesn't.
Portrayed next to Luffy ?
Like Capone and Cesar last arc?
Is time to leave that cloud Ndule the next PK doesn't need cheap wannabe rivals.
Capone himself had similar feats vs Oven as Sanji did.
Chiffon was with Sanji to make the cake
Big Father tanked more than Queen vs sane BM.
just coz Morgans Morgans Capone, doesnt mean Capone and crew didnt contribute much in baking the ake or Tea Party.
Kidd :
CoC
Supernova underling
Main Villain of WG, (the supernova Oda always had as Most important.)
Had fleets which got destroyed by Kaido fall and had a base too.
Survivor Yonko & army with no allies
He and luffy have been talking about who takes Kaido down.
The Main big boss is Kaido,
Beating Orochi wont do a thing as long as Kaido is standing
show me luffy thinking less of Kidd as Teach did with luffy? You have none.
Wano : Supernova trio alliance vs Rocks
Kidd and Luffy with law will take down Kaido (Navy or BM will weaken kaido)
WCI : Supernovas (Capone & Luffy) + Germa alliance surviving BMP. Luffy surpassing Kata
DR & PH : Supernova Duo (Law & Luffy) alliance vs Doffy family, luffy taking down Doffy (law weakened doffy, took down Vergo & Trebol)
Zoro was secondary behind Law and Luffy in PH DR and he is behind SN trio at Wano
, He didn't fight or beat Vergo/Ceasar/doffy who were Law/Luffy opponents, Neither will He beat or do a thing vs Kaido.
Sanji/Jinbei didnt help Luffy vs Kata finale , zoro didnt help luffy taking down Doffy.
where did Luffy ever won with strawhats help vs Main Opponent/finale ? Can't remember.
(The only times was Vs Cracker/Oars who weren't luffy Finale/main fight of the arc.)