Questions & Mysteries Why do people still think Kidd he is still relevant

#81
I guess some of you just read OP for Zoro moments or whatever, and I guess that's fine.

But don't act like I don't have a legitimate reason to be upset at legitimate bad writing. Oda had 10 fucking years to create a logical way for the yonko to be defeated. What he came up with was this:
  • Kid and Law get a "win" without having any advanced haki, with Linlin seemingly nerfing herself
  • Luffy gets 5 power ups in a row and goes from getting neg diffed by kaido to fighting on par with him, also the gomu gomu no mi isn't real, luffy is actually a mythical god zoan.
If OP was the size of demon slayer or something I could accept this, but when a series demands as much investment as OP, I have greater standards
 

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#82
In the future... we aren't in the future
+ Yonko and Admirals aren't on the same level
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Okay

Way Weaker than Zoro but he and law managed to give BM a great battle
While zoro and sanji passed out from fighting Ycs way weaker than katakuri

:myman: Impressive for someone who's trash
kid and kata are the past (similar than smoker or crocus). Now it's the time BB, Mihawk, shanks and shyriu.
Wano Zoro low/mid diff both
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Kid is the new chinjao
:milaugh::milaugh::milaugh::gokulaugh::gokulaugh::gokulaugh::kailaugh::kailaugh::kailaugh:
 
#85
In wano, Kid and Law defeated an antagonist with hundreds of chapters of build up, big mom.
Similarly, Luffy is fighting Kaido, who was portrayed to be near in strength with big mom, especially in regards to CoC(sky splitting).
It has nothing to do with physical strength but haki. Kid's physical strength and attack potency is stronger than Luffy's and law's DC and lethality is better than Luffy's. All have their strength and weaknesses so I don't see the problem.
So when Oda off panels Linlin using ACoC and has her be defeated without even using it once offensively against Kid or Law
Who cares if she use it offensively or not when kaido already shown using it on the rooftop chapters ago it cause no long lasting damage on law in the slightest and he's not as durable as kid to begin with. Also she was shown using it defensively anyway but kid overpowered her anyway with his devil fruit alone.
apparently I am being such a salty fanboy for expecting Oda to deliver on characters with hundreds of chapters of build up.
This arc is not over so you don't know what oda is planning with kid afterwards. This arc was mostly character development for kid than it was for the feats. Besides that big mom wasn't his original target to begin with neither was kaido but shanks.
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Barier coa simple
Where do you see barrier haki at? Oh you're talking about emission haki when you attack a person without touching them. Yeah that's not what Yamato did there but she has shown using that here:
 
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#86
Kid was literally introduced fighting Apoo and saying he’d kill him for staring at him.
Second appearence, pardon :sanmoji:

The only thing close to a “resentful” comment about the World Gov was when he was laughing with Killer that it was a joke to call the Kid Pirates bad guys when the Celestial Dragons exist.
It's there, so why do you inisist in disregarding it?
Just cause Kidd narrative has always revolved around the Emperors, you can't just exclude another plot when the hints are there.

I also have zero reason to care about a Kid flashback. Again, at most it will tie to Shanks, but so do other more important characters.
We are discussing the most likely progression of the story, so what you care or don't care about in not an issue.
Just expression of bias.

Even if the case is of sharing the flashback with Shanks, what's the problem with it?
Doflamingo-Trafalgar shared flashback is an example of peak One Piece but seems like you're already labeling it as a trash secondary appearence on Kidd's part.

This is probably due to the bias I mentioned above :catsure:
 
#87
Kid and Law get a "win" without having any advanced haki, with Linlin seemingly nerfing herself
Because it's not needed to beat a and she was nerf.
Luffy gets 5 power ups in a row and goes from getting neg diffed by kaido to fighting on par with him, also the gomu gomu no mi isn't real, luffy is actually a mythical god zoan.
Because Luffy is lacking something law and kid already have and also for the fact Luffy got knockout once but three times already shows kaido is still superior.
 

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#89
It's there, so why do you inisist in disregarding it?
Just cause Kidd narrative has always revolved around the Emperors, you can't just exclude another plot when the hints are there.
Because it’s not pointing to Kid having any kind of grudge against the World Gov. It’s literally the only time he mentions them and it just shows a sardonic appreciation about how fucked up the state of the world is. There’s no sign he‘s enraged by this, no sign he wants to change anything, there’s nothing in his speech that hints to some sort of grudge with them, he just laughs about it.

And then every other scene with him has had him talk about the Yonko or Luffy.

We are discussing the most likely progression of the story, so what you care or don't care about in not an issue.
The progression of the story is that Kid has been left well and truly in the dirt by Luffy and Oda’s use of him in Wano doesn’t suggest he’s got much interest in delving deeply into him as a character.
Even if the case is of sharing the flashback with Shanks, what's the problem with it?
Doflamingo-Trafalgar shared flashback is an example of peak One Piece but seems like you're already labeling it as a trash secondary appearence on Kidd's part.
Secondary? No, Kid would be a... quinary? character in a Shanks flashback.

A Shanks flashback has to go through first of all, his childhood on Roger’s crew. Needs to establish his relationship with Roger, Ray and Buggy. Plus whatever happened in Shanks’ past before Roger that led to him being on the crew (is he Rocks son?)

Then we need to get his life as a captain of his own. That means setting up his fights with Mihawk and Blackbeard, and also how he met Beckman and set up his crew.

Then finally we need to get a bit of his perspective of meeting Luffy.

We also need setup for Shanks gaining the respect from the likes of Sengoku and the Gorosei.

All these relationships are more important than Shanks and Kid, which can honestly be dealt with as quickly as Kaido vs Moria was in Wano. Because really, the two are the same.

To Moria, Kaido was his great archnemesis who destroyed his crew
To Kid, Shanks is the Yonko who took his arm and he’s desperate to beat

To Kaido and Shanks, Moria and Kid are just some guys they fought with and wrecked in the past. They care more about the big boys like Oden, Blackbeard, Whitebeard, Roger.

It’s not like Doflamingo, where the relationship with Law was hugely important to both of them. Shanks has not once shown any interest in Kid. All he’s ever been shown caring about is Luffy and Blackbeard. I can guarantee you he wasn‘t going to the Gorosei to talk to them about Eustass Kid.
 
#91
Because it’s not pointing to Kid having any kind of grudge against the World Gov. It’s literally the only time he mentions them and it just shows a sardonic appreciation about how fucked up the state of the world is. There’s no sign he‘s enraged by this, no sign he wants to change anything, there’s nothing in his speech that hints to some sort of grudge with them, he just laughs about it.

And then every other scene with him has had him talk about the Yonko or Luffy.



The progression of the story is that Kid has been left well and truly in the dirt by Luffy and Oda’s use of him in Wano doesn’t suggest he’s got much interest in delving deeply into him as a character.


Secondary? No, Kid would be a... quinary? character in a Shanks flashback.

A Shanks flashback has to go through first of all, his childhood on Roger’s crew. Needs to establish his relationship with Roger, Ray and Buggy. Plus whatever happened in Shanks’ past before Roger that led to him being on the crew (is he Rocks son?)

Then we need to get his life as a captain of his own. That means setting up his fights with Mihawk and Blackbeard, and also how he met Beckman and set up his crew.

Then finally we need to get a bit of his perspective of meeting Luffy.

We also need setup for Shanks gaining the respect from the likes of Sengoku and the Gorosei.

All these relationships are more important than Shanks and Kid, which can honestly be dealt with as quickly as Kaido vs Moria was in Wano. Because really, the two are the same.

To Moria, Kaido was his great archnemesis who destroyed his crew
To Kid, Shanks is the Yonko who took his arm and he’s desperate to beat

To Kaido and Shanks, Moria and Kid are just some guys they fought with and wrecked in the past. They care more about the big boys like Oden, Blackbeard, Whitebeard, Roger.

It’s not like Doflamingo, where the relationship with Law was hugely important to both of them. Shanks has not once shown any interest in Kid. All he’s ever been shown caring about is Luffy and Blackbeard. I can guarantee you he wasn‘t going to the Gorosei to talk to them about Eustass Kid.
Why on earth do you think Beckman would get more focus than Kidd? Despite how much fans hype him up, Beckman's a glorified background character
 
#92
Because it’s not pointing to Kid having any kind of grudge against the World Gov. It’s literally the only time he mentions them and it just shows a sardonic appreciation about how fucked up the state of the world is. There’s no sign he‘s enraged by this, no sign he wants to change anything, there’s nothing in his speech that hints to some sort of grudge with them, he just laughs about it.

And then every other scene with him has had him talk about the Yonko or Luffy.
Fair enough. Could've just been his cynism at work.
But there's still the possibility. Kidd & Killer really have the look of some outcasts, people who chose piracy for survival and decided to head top and rock hard at it. Kinda like Law, except that his priorities are different and totally revealed.
You must know better than me that, in One Piece, such outcasts are created by the Govt. Systems 99% of the times. So Kidd childhood being directly or indirectly shaped by the CDs/WG is the safest bet tbh.

We can argue about how much he really resents about it, but it's kinda pointless until we have the details.

The progression of the story is that Kid has been left well and truly in the dirt by Luffy and Oda’s use of him in Wano doesn’t suggest he’s got much interest in delving deeply into him as a character.
My impression is totally different.
Looks like Oda skyrocked him and the bounties will probably confirm it.

Secondary? No, Kid would be a... quinary? character in a Shanks flashback.

A Shanks flashback has to go through first of all, his childhood on Roger’s crew. Needs to establish his relationship with Roger, Ray and Buggy. Plus whatever happened in Shanks’ past before Roger that led to him being on the crew (is he Rocks son?)

Then we need to get his life as a captain of his own. That means setting up his fights with Mihawk and Blackbeard, and also how he met Beckman and set up his crew.

Then finally we need to get a bit of his perspective of meeting Luffy.

We also need setup for Shanks gaining the respect from the likes of Sengoku and the Gorosei.

All these relationships are more important than Shanks and Kid, which can honestly be dealt with as quickly as Kaido vs Moria was in Wano. Because really, the two are the same.

To Moria, Kaido was his great archnemesis who destroyed his crew
To Kid, Shanks is the Yonko who took his arm and he’s desperate to beat

To Kaido and Shanks, Moria and Kid are just some guys they fought with and wrecked in the past. They care more about the big boys like Oden, Blackbeard, Whitebeard, Roger.

It’s not like Doflamingo, where the relationship with Law was hugely important to both of them. Shanks has not once shown any interest in Kid. All he’s ever been shown caring about is Luffy and Blackbeard. I can guarantee you he wasn‘t going to the Gorosei to talk to them about Eustass Kid.
Honestly I think Shanks meeting and battle with Kidd (if Shanks even fought personally) will be revealed in a little flashback, easily contained in half a chapter at most, by Kidd or Shanks.
So no, I'm not arguing Kidd having a major role in Shanks personal story.

Oda has to adress all those points you mentioned, I agree, and that's why that occasion will be recalled by one of the two (Kidd, imo) in a totally different moment, detached from the personal flashback.
That one, for Kidd, should be shared with Killer, their bonding, their upbringing and the start of their adventure.
And that would take more than half a chapter.

If you want to argue that Kidd will not have a flashback that doesn't include Shanks presence... Well I don't know what to tell you.
  • 1 well developed flashback for 1 Major Charcter who is a Key Player of the future ---> Law
  • 0 well developed flashback for 2 Major Charcters who are Key Players of the future ---> Kidd & Killer
Sounds simply unrealistic
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#93
Why on earth do you think Beckman would get more focus than Kidd? Despite how much fans hype him up, Beckman's a glorified background character
Because Beckman is Shanks’ right hand man who has been in the series since the very first chapter. He’s not a glorified background character, he’s a character that Oda is still waiting to get to. It‘s part of Luffy’s promise to Shanks that he’ll get a crews even better than Shanks- you think Oda’s not actually going to bother developing that milestone crew

Meanwhile, Kid is the, at best, fourth most relevant character Shanks has ever fought, behind Blackbeard, Mihawk and Kaido.

Flashbacks are not for fights, they are for establishing character relationships. Take Oden’s

-four chapters on gathering his vassals
-three pages of action for Oden vs Kaido

I have far more reason to think that Oda will want to devote time showing Shanks becoming a pirate captain and establishing his crew than he will shitstomping Kid.

If you want to argue that Kidd will not have a flashback that doesn't include Shanks presence... Well I don't know what to tell you.

1 well developed flashback for 1 Major Charcter who is a Key Player of the future ---> Law

0 well developed flashback for 2 Major Charcters who are Key Players of the future ---> Kidd & Killer

Sounds simply unrealistic
:ohreally:
Zoro has been in the series since chapter three, is the second most popular character and is the deuteragonist.

His flashbacks, spread out over twenty five odd years, make up less than a single chapter. And that’s including an arc where we’ve went back to his ancestral homeland and he’s played a pretty big role.

Usopp, incidentally, is even worse off, with a whopping one and a half pages.

I have no reason to assume that Kid and Killer will get a big flashback just because Law did. If that was the case, then Zoro would certainly have had one because Sanji did.
 
#94
--Well Kidd is there ; somewhat of a relevant competitor to luffy at least better than other SNs + will play some role in future war also

--But that is all ; he isn't that much relevant and pails against BB or Marines and neither he is a D like law or a SH

--Admirals are tailor made for SH's also + Sabo it seems

--And he won't fight BB pirates also ; so his relevance is low moving forwards like what will be his future big achievement?
 
#95
Because Beckman is Shanks’ right hand man who has been in the series since the very first chapter. He’s not a glorified background character, he’s a character that Oda is still waiting to get to. It‘s part of Luffy’s promise to Shanks that he’ll get a crews even better than Shanks- you think Oda’s not actually going to bother developing that milestone crew

Meanwhile, Kid is the, at best, fourth most relevant character Shanks has ever fought, behind Blackbeard, Mihawk and Kaido.

Flashbacks are not for fights, they are for establishing character relationships. Take Oden’s

-four chapters on gathering his vassals
-three pages of action for Oden vs Kaido

I have far more reason to think that Oda will want to devote time showing Shanks becoming a pirate captain and establishing his crew than he will shitstomping Kid.



Zoro has been in the series since chapter three, is the second most popular character and is the deuteragonist.

His flashbacks, spread out over twenty five odd years, make up less than a single chapter. And that’s including an arc where we’ve went back to his ancestral homeland and he’s played a pretty big role.

Usopp, incidentally, is even worse off, with a whopping one and a half pages.

I have no reason to assume that Kid and Killer will get a big flashback just because Law did. If that was the case, then Zoro would certainly have had one because Sanji did.
Here's the thing though: the audience has absolutely zero reason to be interested in Beckman. However, they DO have reason to be interested in Kidd.
Beckman is a background character. Maybe you think otherwise but in 1000 chapters he has absolutely been treated as one. He has no more relevance than someone like Gaban.

But the reason I think that Kidd will tie in with Shanks' backstory is that they share a lot of superficial similarities, far more than can be considered a coincidence

- Red Hair
- Missing left arm
- Scar over right eye

Take it as you will but I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that Kidd was Shanks' son.
 
Here's the thing though: the audience has absolutely zero reason to be interested in Beckman. However, they DO have reason to be interested in Kidd.
Beckman is a background character. Maybe you think otherwise but in 1000 chapters he has absolutely been treated as one. He has no more relevance than someone like Gaban.
Yeah, no shit, has the Red Hair Pirates arc happened and I managed to miss it?

How much of a role did Marco have before Marineford? Katakuri before WCI? King before Wano? Hell, Kid before Wano?

Shanks and his crew are very obviously being kept for endgame, that doesn’t make them “background characters.”
But the reason I think that Kidd will tie in with Shanks' backstory is that they share a lot of superficial similarities, far more than can be considered a coincidence

- Red Hair
- Missing left arm
- Scar over right eye

Take it as you will but I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that Kidd was Shanks' son.
Film Red being about Shanks’ daughter has killed any theory that Shanks and Kid are related. Oda wouldn’t be making a movie about Shanks having a kid if he was planning on making it a plotpoint in the manga that Kid was his son.
 
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