Powers & Abilities So does everyone agree Enma not a power up now.

[nik87]

Give me an example of anyone TRYING to get a black blade? Besides Zoro of course.

In fact, give me an example of anyone claiming a black blade was a goal for all swordsmen who aspire to be the greatest? Agains besides Zoro/Mihawk

No one cares about it, but you think it's an excuse? Nah, it's not backed by the manga.

And I futher proved why it's a PU so this... didnt really work out for you... whatever you were trying

Give me proof Zoro is trying to get a black blade. It worked just fine for me and Enma has never been a PU but I dont expect everyone to realize that.

Where'd this come from?? Zoro current haki growth directly a result of enma. The 2 are directly connected. Its a PU

Is Zoro powering down if he replaces Enma with Shusui?
Zoro's strength growth was always a direct result of weight lifting, those two are directly connected. Are weights a PU?

 

[kurohime]

At least it proves that Zoro is stronger than any Samurai in Wano for the last 50 years excluding Oden.

No...no it doesn't. No one else had the oppurtunity to wield it. Dude kept it hidden for Momo and Hiyori.

 

[Trafalgar_D_Law]

At least it proves that Zoro is stronger than any Samurai in Wano for the last 50 years excluding Oden.

In haki control, or just overall haki wise. But haki doesn't completely decide fights in one piece. So thats not enough evidence to make that claim.

 

[bennbeckman]

That's speculation, there's a reason why oda wrote that no one has ever been able to tame the blade, and also kinemon said to zoro "he wouldnt accept the sword"

 

[Guan Yu]

No...no it doesn't. No one else had the oppurtunity to wield it. Dude kept it hidden for Momo and Hiyori.

Hitetsu himself said that no one else has ever been able to tame Enma except for Oden. No one before and since, until Zoro.

 

[bennbeckman]

Hitetsu himself said that no one else has ever been able to tame Enma except for Oden. No one before and since, until Zoro.

To piggyback Hitetsu also said he was confident Zoro could turn the blade black

 

[Jiihad]

At least it proves that Zoro is stronger than any Samurai in Wano for the last 50 years excluding Oden.

And that’s impressive how?

 

[Guan Yu]

And that’s impressive how?

Read the post that I quote

 

[kurohime]

Hitetsu himself said that no one else has ever been able to tame Enma except for Oden. No one before and since, until Zoro.

So then who else tried to wield it? Can you name someone?

 

[Trafalgar_D_Law]

Is Zoro powering down if he replaces Enma with Shusui?

NO, but his current haki lvl. A direct result of enma!!!!! He doesnt reach the same lvl if its shusui in its place. So again its literally a PU.

Zoro's strength growth was always a direct result of weight lifting, those two are directly connected. Are weights a PU?

What??

 

[kurohime]

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Give me proof Zoro is trying to get a black blade. It worked just fine for me and Enma has never been a PU but I dont expect everyone to realize that.

Is Zoro powering down if he replaces Enma with Shusui?
Zoro's strength growth was always a direct result of weight lifting, those two are directly connected. Are weights a PU?

So no proof anyone else wants a black blade? Gotcha lol come on

 

[Xione]

I'm surprised anyone would disagree, people throwing reading comprehension out the window?

- Does it boost his haki? No, it just takes the users Haki and drains it without permission. Which is a nerf in battle.
- Does it make him physically superior? No, it provides no physical stats as it's a mere sword, it has no bankai or shukai.

What's it purpose? A training tool for Zoro to improve his haki, as using it requires one to control their haki.

Enma is leading to powerup, but it in itself is not a powerup.

Shusui > Enma until stated otherwise. Shusui is not only the same level as Enma, but is even at a "higher level" due to being a black blade.

 

[Jiihad]

Raid suit helps Sanji increase his observation haki

 

[kurohime]

I'm surprised anyone would disagree, people throwing reading comprehension out the window?

- Does it boost his haki? No, it just takes the users Haki and drains it without permission. Which is a nerf in battle.
- Does it make him physically superior? No, it provides no physical stats as it's a mere sword, it has no bankai or shukai.

What's it purpose? A training tool for Zoro to improve his haki, as using it requires one to control their haki.

Enma is leading to powerup, but it in itself is not a powerup.

Shusui > Enma until stated otherwise. Shusui is not only the same level as Enma, but is even at a "higher level" due to being a black blade.

Zoro himself acknowledges mastering it will make him stronger....

 

[Guan Yu]

So then who else tried to wield it? Can you name someone?

It's the author's own words for christ sake!

So you're saying that Oda was lying?

 

[bennbeckman]

looololololol

 

[Xione]

NO, but his current haki lvl. A direct result of enma!!!!! He doesnt reach the same lvl if its shusui in its place. So again its literally a PU.
What??

Y'all should first define what a powerup is.

Raid Suit is considered a powerup because it increases Sanji's stats when he's wearing it.
A Devil Fruit would be considered a powerup (dependent on what it is) as it again boosts the stats of the user and gives them more firepower.
A better sword would be considered a powerup, as it allows the user to output more power into the sword.

Zoro attaining Shusui was a powerup. Zoro attaining Enma is not a powerup, as Enma is not a better sword than Shusui like Shusui was a better sword than the one Zoro replaced.

If you're classifying "training tools" as powerups, then that's a whole different thing, then the above would not be classified as powerups.

 

[nik87]

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So no proof anyone else wants a black blade? Gotcha lol come on

No proof that Zoro wants a black blade and is trying to get it? As I thought.

 

[Xione]

Zoro himself acknowledges mastering it will make him stronger....

Because he will have had a better haki by mastering it. The powerup is the haki, not the sword. When you say "enma is a powerup" you're arguing that it's better than Shusui.

Every Zoro fan agrees that Zoro recieved a powerup in his Haki during the Enma training, just like Luffy did with his seastone training. The disagreement is when you claim that he received a powerup in his sword, which again is simply not the case as Shusui is the better sword.

 

[nik87]

Zoro himself acknowledges mastering it will make him stronger....

Lifting weights made him stronger too. Did you call the weights a PU? @Trafalgar_D_Law