Questions & Mysteries Why do people still think Kidd he is still relevant

[Peenix]

Yeah, no shit, has the Red Hair Pirates arc happened and I managed to miss it?

How much of a role did Marco have before Marineford? Katakuri before WCI? King before Wano? Hell, Kid before Wano?

Shanks and his crew are very obviously being kept for endgame, that doesn’t make them “background characters.”

Kidd was treated as an important character as soon as he was introduced. Beckman simply hasn't. I can't see why you would think Beckman's getting more focus than Kidd. That's just not how storytelling works. The only Red Hair besides Shanks that I'm confident will have any kind of relevance is Yasopp, and that's only because he's Usopp's father.

Film Red being about Shanks’ daughter has killed any theory that Shanks and Kid are related. Oda wouldn’t be making a movie about Shanks having a kid if he was planning on making it a plotpoint in the manga that Kid was his son.

Nah it confirmed that Shanks is a deadbeat. Wouldn't be surprised if he had 50 illegitimate kids

 

[Roo]

Kid is like 24 no way Shanks is his dad

 

[Garp the Fist]

Kidd was treated as an important character as soon as he was introduced. Beckman simply hasn't.

You need to reread all the Red Hair Pirate scenes starting from chapter one.

Lime Juice has not been treated as an important character (so far). Beckman, Roo and Yassop have.

I can't see why you would think Beckman's getting more focus than Kidd.

You are aware I’m saying that Shanks and Beckman’s relationship will be developed more than Shanks and Kid’s, not that Beckman will overall be focused on more than Kid will?

That's just not how storytelling works. The only Red Hair besides Shanks that I'm confident will have any kind of relevance is Yasopp, and that's only because he's Usopp's father.

Yes, it does make sense to think that the crew that even compared to other Yonko crews are widely renowed, have a high average bounty and the best balance of any crew will not be relevant.

That must be how storytelling works

 

[Peenix]

You need to reread all the Red Hair Pirate scenes starting from chapter one.

Lime Juice has not been treated as an important character (so far). Beckman, Roo and Yassop have.




You are aware I’m saying that Shanks and Beckman’s relationship will be developed more than Shanks and Kid’s, not that Beckman will overall be focused on more than Kid will?

Yes, it does make sense to think that the crew that even compared to other Yonko crews are widely renowed, have a high average bounty and the best balance of any crew will not be relevant.

That must be how storytelling works

I could honestly see the Red Hair Pirates getting their asses kicked by the Blackbeard Pirates offscreen for the sake of hyping them up

 

[wraithery]

Even though he isn't relevant to us, because Oda fucked up his character hard, oda will still make him relevant somehow even though it makes no sense.

 

[ReggieZoldyck21]

>beat one of the strongest pirates

>be irrelevant


something is not adding up

Kidd haters can’t do math. Be easy on them

 

[Monkey D Theories]

It has nothing to do with physical strength but haki. Kid's physical strength and attack potency is stronger than Luffy's and law's DC and lethality is better than Luffy's. All have their strength and weaknesses so I don't see the problem.

Who cares if she use it offensively or not when kaido already shown using it on the rooftop chapters ago it cause no long lasting damage on law in the slightest and he's not as durable as kid to begin with. Also she was shown using it defensively anyway but kid overpowered her anyway with his devil fruit alone.

This arc is not over so you don't know what oda is planning with kid afterwards. This arc was mostly character development for kid than it was for the feats. Besides that big mom wasn't his original target to begin with neither was kaido but shanks.

Big Mom was an antagonist with hundreds of chapters of build up. She deserved a better fight than what we got. If oda is going to put haki on a pedastal, which he did, then we need to see Kid/Law and Linlin clash haki.

Oda can't just skimp on this stuff while giving ample amounts of panel time to irrelevant side characters

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Kid and Law vs Big Mom was one of the most important fights in the series
and 80% of the fights from demon slayer shit on it

Yet people constantly put Oda on this pedestal and act like OP is beyond criticism, when the man can't even draw good fights

 

[Killer#777]

Big Mom was an antagonist with hundreds of chapters of build up. She deserved a better fight than what we got. If oda is going to put haki on a pedastal, which he did, then we need to see Kid/Law and Linlin clash haki.

Let me ask you this if big mom's entire fighting style was revolve around haki then obviously she would use like kaido does right? But she doesn't because she isn't kaido and they don't fight the same. I don't see you complaining about kaido not using future sight throughout the entire fight despite having it this whole time.

 

[Finalbeta]

--Well Kidd is there ; somewhat of a relevant competitor to luffy at least better than other SNs + will play some role in future war also

--But that is all ; he isn't that much relevant and pails against BB or Marines and neither he is a D like law or a SH

--Admirals are tailor made for SH's also + Sabo it seems

--And he won't fight BB pirates also ; so his relevance is low moving forwards like what will be his future big achievement?

Yep in this verse even yonko and admirals are hype tool for the SH growth am sad to affirm, this is why they are going to obscure the other Supernovae at least a few of them will

 

[Mugiwara56]

Kid is relevant but clearly not one of the 20 most important characters in One Piece. But it is still important.

He is not Luffy's rival, Oda has in this arc clearly shown who are not of the same level in everything (Individual Level, Haki, Devil Fruit, Poneglyph, Crew, Notoriety, Fleet, Allies).

Luffy beats him with his eyes closed

 

[Killer#777]

He is not Luffy's rival

He is his rival it's been stated in the manga by shakky(can't pronounced name) and queen. It's fine if you don't see it that way but you shouldn't disregard what's already been said.

Luffy beats him with his eyes

Luffy wins high at best.

 

[mugiwalaw]

he still got unsolved problem with Shanks

 

[Finalbeta]

His devil fruit is pretty neat, I think if he learned advanced haki he could become quite the powerhouse

 

[Mugiwara56]

He is his rival it's been stated in the manga by shakky(can't pronounced name) and queen. It's fine if you don't see it that way but you shouldn't disregard what's already been said.

Luffy wins high at best.

I can't consider him as a rival while Luffy is 4 times stronger than him individually.

I can't say that Kid is his rival when Zoro is much stronger than Killer. I can't consider him a rival to Luffy as Luffy's crew rides on all of Kid's crew.

I can't consider Kid a rival when Luffy practically every road poneglyph and key in One Piece and Kid has zero.

 

[Killer#777]

I can't consider him as a rival while Luffy is 4 times stronger than him individually.

"I can't consider him" is basically your personal opinion and I'm fine with that but it's not good to ignore the narrative.

I can't say that Kid is his rival when Zoro is much stronger than Killer. I can't consider him a rival to Luffy as Luffy's crew rides on all of Kid's crew.

Again Zoro and killer were mostly even Zoro won due to giykumaru's interference not saying he wouldn't won regardless but that's the main reason he won but pass out afterwards. So yeah Zoro and killer are closer than you think. Another thing whether someone is weaker or stronger has never matter when it comes to rivalry.

I can't consider Kid a rival when Luffy practically every road poneglyph and key in One Piece and Kid has zero

That's yet to be known.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

I can't consider him as a rival while Luffy is 4 times stronger than him individually.

I can't say that Kid is his rival when Zoro is much stronger than Killer. I can't consider him a rival to Luffy as Luffy's crew rides on all of Kid's crew.

I can't consider Kid a rival when Luffy practically every road poneglyph and key in One Piece and Kid has zero.

jesus, nobody is arguing that Kid is Luffy's equal

 

[IsaziSempi]

Because of that:

did that actually damage her though?

 

[Franosuke]

jesus, nobody is arguing that Kid is Luffy's equal

Yeah but the issue is people somehow using the "rivals" argument to translate Kid and Law's strengths to other characters in the story

Clearly the rivalry is not about power level when Luffy is so much stronger than his rivals and Zoro is so much stronger than his WG rival as well

I know there are a lot of Kid haters and downplayers. He deserves more praise than he gets

But I'm not gonna go defending Kid when people start screaming "Luffy's rival" to justify Kid's placement over anyone they see fit, it's not even as justified as saying someone with ACoC is automatically > than someone without it, and that by itself is a weak argument

 

[Mugiwara56]

"I can't consider him" is basically your personal opinion and I'm fine with that but it's not good to ignore the narrative.

Again Zoro and killer were mostly even Zoro won due to giykumaru's interference not saying he wouldn't won regardless but that's the main reason he won but pass out afterwards. So yeah Zoro and killer are closer than you think. Another thing whether someone is weaker or stronger has never matter when it comes to rivalry.

That's yet to be known.

Ah that I admit it, Kid was clearly presented as a rival of Luffy yes, but Oda very badly managed that. The evidence a lot of topics regarding Kid's relevance are growing.

 

[Finalbeta]

Luffy potentially got so many rivals I lost my count personally

Rivalry should be better defined I think, that is