Will ZKK happen?


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I dont think using knocking down or not knocking down to scale attacks even make sense in the first place. Also disagree that the Scabbards attack did more damage than one ACOA Kong Gun.

Ill give an example, Kaidou said the Scabbards combined weren't even able to open up the old scar. Meanwhile Zoro gave him a new scar using Ashura. That alone indicates Ashura > Scabbards Togen Totsuka. However Togen Totsuka knocked Kaidou down while Ashura didnt. So what now? How does scaling with being knocked out or not even makes sense?
Mate I'm simply using Zoro's criteria... I didn't make it up from thin air.

@sanjikun I heard you saying that KKG > G5 Bajrang punch as big doesn't means more powerful like G3 is bigger than KKG :suresure:

You still on the KKG >> Everything agenda?
Luffy's new attack is clearly way stronger than anything we've ever seen.

But I always assumed Kaido would be in his hybrid like all other Zooans when he got defeated. I don't KKG has enough AoE/strength to put down Zooan Kaido. Zooan Kaido would need something insanely massive to put him down.
 
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Zoro wouldn't cry about knocking down kaido if it didn't matter in AP argument

I can even say :
Retainers totsuka >= Ashura in AP since it knocked down dragon kaido and had him unconscious for 10 seconds or so.
Ashura > Tostuka in lethality due to better ryuo and Enma. Left a scar but can't Knock even hybrid kaido down
Overall : ashura > Retainers totsuka

Dragon kaido >> Hybrid kaido in mass and size

People downplay Retainers feat but only Oden, Kid & Luffy have been able to easily toss him around or down easily due to their physical strength or AP.
 
There's a reason why Oden's feat >>> Zoro's
Scarring and having zoan Kaido almost out is way better than leaving a scar that didn't even nerf hybrid kaido.

Zoan forms are always the most durable
 
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Mate I'm simply using Zoro's criteria... I didn't make it up from thin air.



Luffy's new attack is clearly way stronger than anything we've ever seen.

But I always assumed Kaido would be in his hybrid like all other Zooans when he got defeated. I don't KKG has enough AoE/strength to put down Zooan Kaido. Zooan Kaido would need something insanely massive to put him down.
I don't think it surpasses combined attack of kaido and bigmam.
 

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Mate I'm simply using Zoro's criteria... I didn't make it up from thin air.
Which is irrelevant since what Zoro meant there by "knocking someone out" was this

You know Japanese, look at the raws. Zoro used the exact same verbage as to what Momo used here:


Here's Zoro's words:

Tell me, did Momo want to knock down Kaidou for him killing his mother and father and ruining his nation?

Besides,
Scabbards knocked Kaidou down ---> Couldn't even reopen the old scar.
Ashura didn't knock Kaidou down ---> Gave Kaidou a new scar.

How can you possibly argue for Togen Totsuka > Ashura Dead Man's Game when one move gave Kaidou an entirely new perma wound while the other one didn't even open up the old one? Doesn't that prove that the "knocking down" criteria makes zero sense?
 
Which is irrelevant since what Zoro meant there was by "knocking someone out" was this

You know Japanese, look at the raws. Zoro used the exact same verbage as to what Momo used here:


Here's Zoro's words:

Tell me, did Momo want to knock down Kaidou for him killing his mother and father and ruining his nation?

Besides,
Scabbards knocked Kaidou down ---> Couldn't even reopen the old scar.
Ashura didn't knock Kaidou down ---> Gave Kaidou a new scar.

How can you possibly argue for Togen Totsuka > Ashura Dead Man's Game when one move gave Kaidou an entirely new perma wound while the other one didn't even open up the old one? Doesn't that prove that the "knocking down" criteria makes zero sense?
You really expecting @sanjikun who thinks King Kong Gun is an actually strong attack be reasonable
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Zoro: "I couldn't even knock him down"

Zoro fans: that doesn't matter :pepecopium:
Which is irrelevant since what Zoro meant there was by "knocking someone out" was this

You know Japanese, look at the raws. Zoro used the exact same verbage as to what Momo used here:


Here's Zoro's words:

Tell me, did Momo want to knock down Kaidou for him killing his mother and father and ruining his nation?

Besides,
Scabbards knocked Kaidou down ---> Couldn't even reopen the old scar.
Ashura didn't knock Kaidou down ---> Gave Kaidou a new scar.

How can you possibly argue for Togen Totsuka > Ashura Dead Man's Game when one move gave Kaidou an entirely new perma wound while the other one didn't even open up the old one? Doesn't that prove that the "knocking down" criteria makes zero sense?
Learn to read Luffy dickrider
 
Okay now that I am laptop, let me tell you this post is absolute load of crap and reeks of nothing but a die hard biased ignored Luffy fan boy with no ability to power scale at all.

Want me to Ask My Self can Zoro fight Kaido equally Like Luffy?
Why don't you ask yourself is Luffy fighting Kaido equally?
Kaido has been fighting like 50 people before Luffy got such a big cut across his chest it permanently scarred him, took like 1000 Luffy CoC attacks where as Joy Boy sperm activated in Luffy and Luffy got his 100th power up but lets go with it.

Zoro did more damage to Kaido with a nerfed Ashura attack with Armament Haki only before he even unlocked his Conqueror's Haki.

You Luffy dick riders always so dishonestly ignore that as throwing blanket statements and dick riding Luffy and calling anyone who calls you out on your bullshit is the only way you can power scale.

Luffy did absolutely nothing to Kaido what so ever without Conqueror's Haki unlock, literally his strongest attack Kong Gun Gatling did less damage to Kaido than Zoro's tatsumaki.

Before unlocking CoC
-Luffy had no attack on Level of Ryou Shi Shi Son Son
-Certainly no attack on the level of Ryou Flying Dragon Blaze
-His strongest base Ryou attack, Daisen Sekkai
-He certainly had nothing that even comes close to Ashura


Then move on to Advanced CoC unlock and Luffy is more or less keeping up with Kaido doing decent damage to Kaido, still not on the same level as Ashura.

Luffy's strongest CoC Attack Supreme King Kon Gun was so pathetic compared to Zoro's CoC Ashura
-It neither scarred Kaido
-Neither got Kaido white eyed
-Neither dropped him to his knees
-Neither made him touch his back (There goes your on your back bullshit)


Luffytards have been bullshitting about Zoro wanting Kaido to touch his back, when he literally said and @Aknolagon did word for word translation "I wanted to take you down with me", Luffy literally failed to make Kaido touch his back with his strongest CoC Attack.

So now
-Zoro's CoC offense >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ashura >> Luffy's strongest CoC attacks until Joy Boy Sperm Unlocked but even Joy Boy Sperm isn't looking all that hot.

Lmaoo his Reaction speed is not out of this world..
Even without Future Sight
-Zoro was able to react to the Hakai just as fast as Luffy where every other superturd failed
-Run faster to block Hakai before Law could even move his fingers and perform Shambles. Zoro is so much faster than Law that he can literally run like 10 meters before Law can even perform his finger swap movement.
-Was able to react to sudden unexpected Explosion and coat himself in FBH, Luffy failed to do that to Apoo
-Despite having FS Ulti was able to land hits on him
-Despite having FS Wind Scythe connected that Zoro can easily dodge


Saying Zoro can not hit Luffy is the biggest Luffy dick rider clown take that anyone can have when pathetic fodders like Ulti can land hits on him.

Show me when has Luffy shown mobility to dodge mountain sized Tatsumaki when a fucking Boro breath can land on him. When multiple Kaido club strikes can land on him, when wind scythes can land on him

When has Luffy shown speed to dodge Shi Shi Son Son.


Not only will Zoro have no issues landing hits on him, one hit and he dies considering Zoro's offense >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Few Wind Scythes.

Zoro will only surpass admirals
You guys are so pathetic man
Both Roger and Shanks are literally confirmed to be swordsmen despite the wildest of your head canons.
Where as Luffy even with his Joy Boy sperm is getting roasted by Kaido with Roger's Haki
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As usual nothing but a bunch of bullshit form Luffytards
What you said right but oda will always have luffy tiers above zoro.
 
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