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Their solution isn't even practical. They are basically telling us to be quiet and only listen to your government when it comes to the virus. Despite not taking any meaningful action against keeping it from spreading, just to try and save face. If there is misinformation being spread, tell us what it is. Do your job, quit posturing.
Their solution isn't even practical. They are basically telling us to be quiet and only listen to your government when it comes to the virus. Despite not taking any meaningful action against keeping it from spreading, just to try and save face. If there is misinformation being spread, tell us what it is. Do your job, quit posturing.
Herd Immunity is not dangerous. It bares it's risks, but it's no riskier than closing down the entire economy and potentially ruining the state of the country for the foreseeable.
The laster major pandemics and the general response to them
Coronavirus 2020 - pretty mild symptoms, 2.6% mortality rate - 111,000 cases + , 85% recover within ONE FUCKING DAY - OMG THE WORLD'S GONNA END. SHUT EVERYTHING DOWN.
Mutated Measles 2018 - 9% mortality rate, severe symptoms - 140,000 + cases but barely any news coverage - it's measles.
Ebola 2015 - severe symptoms, 56% mortality rate - 80,000 cases + - Survivors suffer lifelong difficulties post-recovery - Meh, send aid and have the WHO intervene, it'll be alright, near extinction (herd immunity)
Swine Flu 2009 - medium symptoms, 12% mortality rate - 500,000 cases + , 70% of survivors suffer for months - Oh well, it'll be fine, now extinct (herd immunity)
SARS 2003 - extreme symptoms, 64% mortality rate, 1.8m cases + - all survivors in permanent need of medical care post recovery - WHO intervention and aid, but no countries or sport shuts down/gets postponed (it spread 2x as fast as COVID 19)
vCJD 1996 - extreme symptoms, 0.3% mortality rate, 30,000 cases + all survivors in pernanent need of medical care post recovery - literally no reaction whatsoever, now extinct (herd immunity)
Asian Flu 1957 - mild symptoms progressing to severe. 21% mortality rate, 4,850,000 cases + - all survivors were okay following recovery - no reaction whatsoever - now extinct (herd immunity)
Spanish Flu - 1920 - mild symptoms progressing to severe, 43% mortality rate, 13,000,000 cases + - no long term health complications following recovery, spread 24x as fast as COVID 19 - mild relief effort by european governments now extinct (herd immunity)
Do people see why this is fucking ridiculous? EXPERTS don't even think COVID 19 rates high enough in severity to even warrant WHO aid or intervention. It's not viewed as much worse than mild illnesses like the common flu, caution is advised for the sake of the vulnerable, but people are already developing immunity. In fact, 88% of carriers are immune to it already. To anyone who does not have a longstanding respiratory or autoimmune issue of a specific level and under 80 years old, the mortality rate is 0.1%.
The laster major pandemics and the general response to them
Coronavirus 2020 - pretty mild symptoms, 2.6% mortality rate - 111,000 cases + , 85% recover within ONE FUCKING DAY - OMG THE WORLD'S GONNA END. SHUT EVERYTHING DOWN.
Mutated Measles 2018 - 9% mortality rate, severe symptoms - 140,000 + cases but barely any news coverage - it's measles.
Ebola 2015 - severe symptoms, 56% mortality rate - 80,000 cases + - Survivors suffer lifelong difficulties post-recovery - Meh, send aid and have the WHO intervene, it'll be alright, near extinction (herd immunity)
Swine Flu 2009 - medium symptoms, 12% mortality rate - 500,000 cases + , 70% of survivors suffer for months - Oh well, it'll be fine, now extinct (herd immunity)
SARS 2003 - extreme symptoms, 64% mortality rate, 1.8m cases + - all survivors in permanent need of medical care post recovery - WHO intervention and aid, but no countries or sport shuts down/gets postponed (it spread 2x as fast as COVID 19)
vCJD 1996 - extreme symptoms, 0.3% mortality rate, 30,000 cases + all survivors in pernanent need of medical care post recovery - literally no reaction whatsoever, now extinct (herd immunity)
Asian Flu 1957 - mild symptoms progressing to severe. 21% mortality rate, 4,850,000 cases + - all survivors were okay following recovery - no reaction whatsoever - now extinct (herd immunity)
Spanish Flu - 1920 - mild symptoms progressing to severe, 43% mortality rate, 13,000,000 cases + - no long term health complications following recovery, spread 24x as fast as COVID 19 - mild relief effort by european governments now extinct (herd immunity)
Do people see why this is fucking ridiculous? EXPERTS don't even think COVID 19 rates high enough in severity to even warrant WHO aid or intervention. It's not viewed as much worse than mild illnesses like the common flu, caution is advised for the sake of the vulnerable, but people are already developing immunity. In fact, 88% of carriers are immune to it already. To anyone who does not have a longstanding respiratory or autoimmune issue of a specific level and under 80 years old, the mortality rate is 0.1%.
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If its not dangerous why didnt china or italy tried it ?
Herd immunity can sound logical decision but we are talking about 60 percent of the population getting infected. Its fairly unwise decision in my opinion, he also raises we need to bit adieu to loved ones. Its like govt wants to run things as usual and not lets hospitals clog up with cases.
This is risky for old and people with extendedhealth issues they are not cattles to be slaughtered.
Herd immunity can sound logical decision but we are talking about 60 percent of the population getting infected. Its fairly unwise decision in my opinion, he also raises we need to bit adieu to loved ones. Its like govt wants to run things as usual and not lets hospitals clog up with cases.
This is risky for old and people with extendedhealth issues they are not cattles to be slaughtered.
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i didnt say it's not dangerous in the context you're implying. The problems are on several levels when it comes to closing down the country
1. risk RUINING economy via severe recession, common people have zero income and thus drastic increase in poverty etc too
2. risk of food shortages and therefore famine - this will kill tens to thousands of times more people than COVID-19 ever could if you're not careful
3. no immunity means spread slows but doesn't stop - at risk of another outbreak in future
herd immunity however, does not have these problems. Instead:
1. people's health at marginally greater risk (but people's health is always at risk no matter how you respond) in short term
2. everything else is business as usual
3. Virus spreads more quickly but immunity develops quickly - this can cause viral extinctions, which is the ideal end result
To show the benefits, places at the epicentre of the 03 SARS outbreak like Singapore, Thailand etc. have almost zero cases of COVID-19. South East Asia as a whole has about 400 cases of COVID-19 with ZERO deaths and incredibly slow rate of spread. SARS and COVID-19 are in the same viral family and immunity is long term protection. AND IT WORKS.
I don't like Boris at all, especially the way he delivered this message. However, I agree with the actions he supports - just not the same reasons.
I know which I'd choose. I understand the concerns, but if people are careful with and up their game with hygiene, the risk is massively reduced. This does mean not hoarding hygiene products and panic buying, which is exactly what happens when the threat of closedown is mentioned, just look at the US!
1. risk RUINING economy via severe recession, common people have zero income and thus drastic increase in poverty etc too
2. risk of food shortages and therefore famine - this will kill tens to thousands of times more people than COVID-19 ever could if you're not careful
3. no immunity means spread slows but doesn't stop - at risk of another outbreak in future
herd immunity however, does not have these problems. Instead:
1. people's health at marginally greater risk (but people's health is always at risk no matter how you respond) in short term
2. everything else is business as usual
3. Virus spreads more quickly but immunity develops quickly - this can cause viral extinctions, which is the ideal end result
To show the benefits, places at the epicentre of the 03 SARS outbreak like Singapore, Thailand etc. have almost zero cases of COVID-19. South East Asia as a whole has about 400 cases of COVID-19 with ZERO deaths and incredibly slow rate of spread. SARS and COVID-19 are in the same viral family and immunity is long term protection. AND IT WORKS.
I don't like Boris at all, especially the way he delivered this message. However, I agree with the actions he supports - just not the same reasons.
I know which I'd choose. I understand the concerns, but if people are careful with and up their game with hygiene, the risk is massively reduced. This does mean not hoarding hygiene products and panic buying, which is exactly what happens when the threat of closedown is mentioned, just look at the US!
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I understand this will impact long term goals. We are talking of people's trust in govt , boris is not a uniter he is similar to trump in many ways . Either they could have worked out long term scale how to get healthy part of community back to work .I don't think "Herd Immunity" is a good term to be used in this situation , it sounds like a cattle i am afraid not many people love charles Darwin .
I fear boris has panicked the idea of virus will let working class stay at home and the Govt will be blamed for recession when things receeds.
They have not worked out solution on how to counter the panic in the country , talking of the people will have to bid adieu to their loved ones is either scaremongering not the reassurance in any way.
I fear boris has panicked the idea of virus will let working class stay at home and the Govt will be blamed for recession when things receeds.
They have not worked out solution on how to counter the panic in the country , talking of the people will have to bid adieu to their loved ones is either scaremongering not the reassurance in any way.
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Anyone that studies biological sciences finds "Herd immunity" concept very important to maintain the species. However, that doesn't mean we shouldn't protect ourselves against viruses for so many reason. Example, imagine none uses protection against HIV then we should expect that a percent of the population will not catch the virus and that will limit infection. But think about how many sexual partners a person can have in their live and virus mutation. Now think about with how many people you are going to interact everydayn and how many mutated strains are circulating. Thinking about this as a possible solution is utterly ridiculous and goes against the benefits of living in society where everyone is well informed. Nobody knows how the virus is going to affect oneself so please limiting contact and self isolation is the way to go. Don't listen to politicians. If you can, do it!
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