Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1049 Spoilers Discussion

[draganax]

you need at least two yonko to even the odds against zoro.
especially after chapter 1035.

 

[JoNdule]

I think this may happen if/when he visits Ryuma's grave. I've brought this up a lot that this backstory in regards the Shimotsuki can be addressed here post-Raid. I'm pretty sure this is going to be both purpose of Onimaru's character and Kawamatsu's eventually.

Zoro still definitely has a story to be told in Wano, just not the one people are expecting imo.

Let's hope so

 

[DarkWitch]

We saw Franky this chapter but no zoro.

Zoro is in the chapter.

 

[Cruxroux]

Kawamatsu and Hyogoro are seen him and were impressed by him. All samurai did see him fight King. How else should witness Zoro fight?

Well there was no point in comparing him ryuma and shimotsuki when he's shown dead for the next 10 chapter. They didn't fill us up with his lore at all. We did things into enma and kaido stuff right now. But seriously barely know anything of zoro.

 

[Seth]

Let be honest, if this is all what Zoro character offer for this arc, hell all the theory, all the promised what was for Zoro, all the speculation, his build up for this arc, must feelt very disappointed for the Zoro fandom.

Like legit you guya waited so long for that moment and there been so many hints. But in the end Zoro was not the monster Samurai. He got his cut moment but it never feel impressive, in fact Kaido never mention him after.

I feel like the predict about Zoro overcome and became the next Oden already in wano totally fail off.

Of course beating King isn't bad, but in the end he was just a YC1lvl guy... What I imagine for Zoro and what we actually got, it pretty underwhelming. How you other guys think about(Zoro fandom?).

Im be honest I was neutral in case for Zkk, had a discussion with Jo and others and even said that I could see ZKK happening. But I doubt after this chapter that is going to happen.

After all the years of debating ZKK,how the Zoro fandom thinks about it, how you guys react if ZKK not happen? Are you guys are happy with Zoro build up in wano so far?

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Are you guys happy with Zoro performance so far(in case if ZKK not happening)?
Im be honest, the only way how it could happen is if Kaido awakes and stand up, since if he stand up it clear that Luffy would need help against a stronger Kaido(awakening). But right it is hard to see such a scenario.
Reborn perfectly summed it up.

These are my thoughts about OP as a whole from earlier:

I went through some of my old posts and reflected a bit on them.

It's beyond ridiculous what I said sometimes and what comes with it that I got upset about. It's cringe, weird and disgusting once I think about it for more than a few minutes. When I log off I completely leave out any thoughts about manga stuff aside, it's completely irrelevant to my life yet I spend this much time forcing my mind to get mad over something so bad that is One Piece and I kept on doing it while I saw that there is no improvement. I haven't read this manga for the story since 2011, I just kept on watching for the sake of fights. If I wanted fighting manga I could just find something else.

Holy fuck...

Partially the reason for me signing here was definitely the pandemic and the bunch of lockdowns that forced me to stay home but for fucking sake... I could've done so many things, not saying I would spend this time becoming a millionaire or raising my knowledge but I could definitely not spend this much pointless and soulless hours discussing this below average show.


Ps. In case anyone wonders. Yes, I will be here no matter if ZKK happens or not, ain't trying to dodge the bullet if it doesn't. Going to see this arc until the end to finish with this once and for all. I have a habit of sticking to mangas until the end even if they lose on quality later down the line. My eternal curse but is it tbh? No, it is not. It's what I've been telling myself. Time to end this wrong cycle of telling myself that I have to see it thru the end. I literally waste my time on something I don't even like. It's ridiculous.

I'm sorry to all people who actually read it for something else than power scaling and I might've bothered them in the past.

No sorry to lame ass trolls and baiters with no life outside of WG.

tl;dr I cut the ties with this manga definitively. No need to bother and waste my time on something I don't even like.

What do I think about Zoro's performance in this arc? Well, his character was suffering from a lack of characterization like every other Straw Hat post time skip so there was no surprise for me here. When it comes to his power progression.

If prior to Wano you'd tell me that Zoro will block the strongest attack in the entire series which came from the combined efforts of two Yonko and that he'd also damage and later scar one of said Yonko I would take it blindly. Not to mention the Advanced Conqueror's Haki which is just a cherry on the pie for me.

I'm satisfied with his power progression. Character wise he is in the same shit hole he was since the beginning of the time skip.

I still stand behind ZKK and I truly believe it will happen nonetheless. Will I be wrong or correct remains to be seen.

 

[Cregan]

Dude calm down... kaido fell from sky island and got up like it was nothing. How high onighisima was from flower capital you think?.

Accept it or not :cheers:zkk incoming. We saw Franky this chapter but no zoro. And luffy out of battle now exhausted. And kaido his flashback hasn't ended. That mf is rising up again with awakening I guess.

He fall from sky island and place he landed was coated in aCoA and CoC.

 

[uyuu]

...trying to root for this final scene powerlevel-wise and art-wise...is it only me or the blast, impact, environmental destruction / effect of the punch is like not special at all? Wait whats happening on that last page? Why is there a spiral white track above Kaidou's body? Is that underground or what?

...and also trying to root for Luffy's cause...making a world where his friends can eat to their hearts' content....isnt it just capitalism? Lol i cant relate

 

[BleakAsh]

How is this not a 10/10 chapter?!

Brief Summary with the highlights of the chapter (they are written in order) by Redon From Pirate King Forum:

- Aah, the emotionless sea voyage of the Germa 66 VL. 11 “How!? The book in the lab has started to burn and the two brothers have broken free!!”
- Luffy and Kaidou's attacks have collided, the fire dragon opens its mouth wide to face Luffy's giant fist.
- Kaidou congratulates Luffy for having come this far in his battle against him. However, he tells Luffy that there is no way he can change the world.
-A new Kaidou flashback begins, this time from his childhood (about 49 years before the present of the story).
- The people of Kaidou's home kingdom were shocked to see that the strongest soldier in their kingdom was a boy who was only 10 years old. Also, it seems that Kaidou had ambition to go even further.
- Kingdom of Vodka, 46 years before the present of history.
- The kingdom cannot stop participating in wars since they have to earn enough money in them to pay the "Heavenly Gold" to the Tenryuubito. If they don't, they will lose all the human rights they have.
- Kaidou (who was 13 years old at the time) wonders why they should obey those "Tenryuubito", people tell him to shut up for fear someone will listen to him.
- In the royal palace we see that Kaidou has been chained and is surrounded by several Marines. The king of the Vodka Kingdom tells him that he has been recruited by them and that now he must serve as a Marine.
- Kaidou refuses to be a "dog" of the Government, the king tells him that he is too great a burden for the kingdom and that they can no longer take care of him.
- One of the Marines tells the king that once Kaidou has been handed over, the Kingdom of Vodka will gain the right to participate in Levely. Kaidou angrily interrupts him saying that it is not a political tool.
-Kaidou escapes from the Navy ship and earns a reward of 70,000,000 Berries (we see his Wanted, which confirms that his name is "Kaidou").
- During the following years Kaidou was captured by the Navy several times, but he always escaped. Kaidou actually let himself be captured when he was hungry and used the prisoner ships as if they were cafeterias or restaurants.
- 2 years pass (44 years before the present of the story) and the action changes to the Pirate Island “Hachinosu” in the New World.
- There Kaidou (who was 15 years old) defeated every pirate who got in front of him. A young Shirohige asks him if he had ever considered becoming a pirate and tells him that "Rocks" has been waiting to meet him.
- Later we see that Kaidou joins the Rocks Pirates and now they are an invincible gang.
- Some time passes and we see that Big Mom tells Kaidou that something important has happened and that they must go immediately to "God Valley" (this occurs more or less 38 years before the present of the story, when Kaidou was about 21 years old ).
- Then we see what happens after the incident of "God Valley". The “Hachinosu” pirates find out that Rocks' gang has broken up, but they can't believe it. They comment that a Marine soldier named Garp is the one who has killed them.
- Other pirates say that there must have been internal conflicts in the gang, since the concept of "teamwork" did not seem to exist in the brains of those monsters.
-We see again a very angry young Big Mom, she is looking for Kaidou. It seems that he has left without showing his face to her.
- 10 years have passed since the "God Valley" incident (28 years before the present of the story, when Kaidou was about 31 years old). Kurozumi Higurashi goes to visit Kaidou at his base.
- Higurashi tells Kaidou that he is the "personification of force" and that brute force has been the solution to everything throughout history. After all, humans are "animals" and only the strongest survive. Nature is like that.
Kaidou agrees with his words.
- Higurashi says that the "remnants" of the Rocks gang will enter the scene soon, and that the world will be ruled by weapons. He then tells her that he has a great deal to offer her.
- Again a time lapse passes and we see Kaidou talking to his subordinates in his castle (it seems that this scene takes place after Oden's death).

Kaidou : "There are people who are born into nobility!! And people in power who take peace for granted!!!
Let's drag them onto the battlefield!!! That's the true meaning of "equality" and "freedom"!!!
Only in "war" can a person's worth be defined!!!"

-Kaidou talks to King, tells him that he doesn't know how it happened, but that Yamato has started to mention Joy Boy's name. He also tells her that he believes Oden's wish to "open the border of the country" was a preparation for Joy Boy's arrival.

Kaidou: "

King: "...? Who is...?"

- Back to the present. We see that the CP0 agent who had survived is moving away from Onigashima using the Geppou (Moon Walk) in the air.
- Momonosuke looks at Luffy and Kaidou's clash of attacks and says that Luffy will win. Yamato tells him not to dawdle and Momonosuke keeps trying to create the "clouds of flame".
- The people of the Flower Capital continue to celebrate the festival. Inside the Onigashima castle we see that the water continues to put out the fire and drag everyone down.
- Sanji saves Osome and wonders where the water came from. Franky tells the samurai to be careful not to get swept away by the current.
- Denjiro tells Hiyori that she has done very well, enduring all those years of suffering to get to this moment.
- Kaidou's “clouds of flames” disappear and the island begins to fall.
-Kaidou's fire dragon manages to close his mouth little by little and gains ground against Luffy's attack, which he is suffering.

Kaidou: "Tell me, Straw Hat!! What kind of world would you be able to create!!?"

Luffy: "...!! I..."

- Momonosuke manages to create a giant "cloud of flame" that stops Onigashima from falling and moves the island out of the fighting zone.
-At that moment Luffy recovers ground and manages to go through the fire dragon and hit Kaidou while he answers his question.

Luffy: "I'll create a world where my friends...!!! They can eat their hearts full of happiness!!!
That's the world I want!!!!"

- Luffy's punch makes Kaidou hit the ground at high speed and with great force. The impact is so powerful, that Kaidou is embedded in the ground of Wanokuni very deep.
- At that moment we see the end of the conversation about Joy Boy that Kaidou and King had years ago.

Kaidou: "King, I know who Joy Boy is."

King: "Who is...?"

Kaidou: "The type who can defeat ME in the future!!!"

King: "Being like this... I think he'll never show up..."

- On the final page we see that Onigashima has managed to land on the ground of Wanokuni without major damage. Momonosuke falls to the ground exhausted. Luffy is also falling from the sky, exhausted and with his eyes closed...

THE END.

 

[axelthat]

"Kaido will be a better vilain than Doffy once he gets his flashback!"

How is Kaidou not a better villian lmfao?

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

You can hire me to draw the zkk chapter for you guys
Inbox me privately for prices

 

[Cruxroux]

Zoro is in the chapter.

This mf is seriously dead now. Look at the Calm in his sleep.

 

[axelthat]

@Lance_Dragonite full summary are back.

 

[JoNdule]

...trying to root for this final scene powerlevel-wise and art-wise...is it only me or the blast, impact, environmental destruction / effect of the punch is like not special at all? Wait whats happening on that last page? Why is there a spiral white track above Kaidou's body? Is that underground or what?

...and also trying to root for Luffy's cause...making a world where his friends can eat to their hearts' content....isnt it just capitalism? Lol i cant relate

The worst finale

 

[Rootbeer]

There's no way Kaido is done right?..

 

[KonyaruIchi]

Zoro is in the chapter.

Taking a bit too literally lmfao

 

[faker]

Dude calm down... kaido fell from sky island and got up like it was nothing. How high onighisima was from flower capital you think?.

Accept it or not :cheers:zkk incoming. We saw Franky this chapter but no zoro. And luffy out of battle now exhausted. And kaido his flashback hasn't ended. That mf is rising up again with awakening I guess.

What are you talking about? Zoro is in Franky's arms

 

[ShadyOjiro]

Let be honest, if this is all what Zoro character offer for this arc, hell all the theory, all the promised what was for Zoro, all the speculation, his build up for this arc, must feelt very disappointed for the Zoro fandom.

Like legit you guya waited so long for that moment and there been so many hints. But in the end Zoro was not the monster Samurai. He got his cut moment but it never feel impressive, in fact Kaido never mention him after.

I feel like the predict about Zoro overcome and became the next Oden already in wano totally fail off.

Of course beating King isn't bad, but in the end he was just a YC1lvl guy... What I imagine for Zoro and what we actually got, it pretty underwhelming. How you other guys think about(Zoro fandom?).

Im be honest I was neutral in case for Zkk, had a discussion with Jo and others and even said that I could see ZKK happening. But I doubt after this chapter that is going to happen.

After all the years of debating ZKK,how the Zoro fandom thinks about it, how you guys react if ZKK not happen? Are you guys are happy with Zoro build up in wano so far?

@nik87 @Finalbeta @style @Cinera @HA001 @zzShinichi @Peroroncino @Mr. Bushido @mly90 @ShishioIsBack @Enma @Guan Yu @Lor D. Coast @Reborn @mugiwara44
@Den_Den_Mushi @Garp the Fist @ShishioIsBack @Cinera @Light D Lamperouge @Seth @Marimo_420 @MarineHQ62 @Ryuarashi @Sword God Ryuma @Reborn @Geo @LolonoisZolo @ShadyOjiro @Dragomir @Grumpy Zoro @Monet @Sade @Rukusho
@Reborn @Geo
@ZoroSlaysDragonTuna @sneko @stairs-kun @Oblivion @yj @solis @Seth @Zowo @style @Blother @Camie @MarimoHeado @Marimo_420 @Orojackson Refugee @Zenos7 @Don DaSlayer @Guymieux @Dark Hound @HAJIKATA @Queen @LadyVados @bennbeckman @Ice devil slayer

Are you guys happy with Zoro performance so far(in case if ZKK not happening)?
Im be honest, the only way how it could happen is if Kaido awakes and stand up, since if he stand up it clear that Luffy would need help against a stronger Kaido(awakening). But right it is hard to see such a scenario.
Reborn perfectly summed it up.

I'm not a zkk fan idk why tagged lmao.

I feel Zoro was kinda cheaply used tho.

 

[Nikuzi]

There's no way Kaido is done right?..

 

[Kerkovian]

Where's the star wars meme when you need it?

There's no way Kaido is done right?..

 

[Cruxroux]

The worst finale

My point is kaido still hasn't been shown passed out or exhausted like momo and luffy.
Why? Because zkk incoming.
(I'm tired myself now. Mf refuses to get up. He found his peace in his sleep)