Speculations This could be Zoro's alternative role even if ZKK doesn't happen!

#22
Marco's role does sound plausible, which sucks because I like the guy.

But, if it happens the way you said it and the SHs got healed, how come it's Zoro vs said top tier and not Luffy vs said top tier? Especially if it's Magellan.
Luffy imo will be the only one not healed because he’s separated from everyone else. I guess it depends where they luffys body ends up. I think Marco will heal the 9 straw hats leading to:
Zoro and samurai vs the invading WG
Sanji vs the WG capturing robin

Ultimately leading to Straw hats vs awakened Kaido while Luffy gets rest to ultimately return and finish the job
 
#23
If Zoro solos all CP0 and WG forces by himself to the point that they run away in fear, how do you think that would translate to the final war considering WG forces (including the Marines) will be the main challenge there? No one can take the WG and CP0 seriously anymore if they piss their pants over the prospect of fighting Zoro alone, as great a wank as that would be for Zoro.

ZKK at least is done to the head of a defeated crew, so WG and CP0 hype will still come out intact from it.
Tbf, I'd expect Zoro to fight Fuji or that Monk Gorosei anyway. Anyone else is probably fodder at this point or not a difficult battle on that end (unless CP-0 actually has more powerful members)
 
#24
Sure, he took down King but nobody saw it exactly. He gave himself a new epithet but no person really witnessed this one either.
CP0 in the entirety in possession of Marys Kaido's security system. Literally everything that happens in Onigashima they know about. There's a Valkyrie watching everything that happens in every fight and in the clash of armies. They even managed to accurately measure changes in numbers.

Nothing in Onigashima's attack will go unnoticed
 
#25
Luffy imo will be the only one not healed because he’s separated from everyone else. I guess it depends where they luffys body ends up. I think Marco will heal the 9 straw hats leading to:
Zoro and samurai vs the invading WG
Sanji vs the WG capturing robin

Ultimately leading to Straw hats vs awakened Kaido while Luffy gets rest to ultimately return and finish the job
Momoron fell not that far away from Luffy and Yamato witnessed both. I doubt she will save just one instead of the both of them. :smoothy:

Though, this does make me headcanon about both ZKK and Zoro fighting off the WG happening. :myman:
 
#26
With the Cp0 agent fliying away I see ZKK even more likely

One of the biggest fear of Luffy fans was that ZKK would take away the spotlight from Luffy, but now the Cp0 agent most likely will only report Kaido's defeat by Luffy's hands, with the WG unaware of what will happen next...
so the beast pirate that are still alive won't speard the news that kaido is dead and how he died
 
#28
Zunisha, yamato, marco, kid, law, sanji, etc. ect just watch?

Zoro getting a black blade would probably be the thing that maked the samurai fully realize his obvious connections to ryuma and the shimotsuki
What will specifically trigger it becoming black 🤷‍♀️
 
#30
That is a likely scenario. For me, at this point, I'm keeping my expectations low so as not to be disappointed:josad:
Yep, we don't know what Oda is still up too. Prior to this chapter, I expected awakening, an extented fight and possibly at the end ZKK but the question is if Kaido ever gets up again this arc.

Honestly, I'd be mad if he does nothing at the end, at least living up one of Ryuma's legacy's is a fine start to make up for it, otherwise I can't decide how to keep my expectations for future arcs.

Enma isn't turning black without fulfilling its will to kill Kaido.

And how will the WG invasion play out? Not sure, but why is Zunesha even here if he is not going to stop the WG?
I don't necessarily think Enma can be solely turned black by killing Kaido. As I said, I think the plot with the grim reaper is a potential new PU for Zoro, coming back stronger than ever.

Idk, a third party invading Wano, giving off Post Moria fight Thriller Bark vibes, only to be effortlessly wiped out by Zunisha needing 30+ chapters to cross the sea is kind of underwhelming. But I understand where you're coming from.
Stopped reading after that:arnoling:
Uh, thanks for your input. I'll keep on debating those being actually interested in discussion the mentioned alternative role, you can just ignore this thread from now on.
 
#31
I just wouldn't understand why Oda took this path. He could have easily set it up so that watching King get sliced above the capital got the attention of the citizens. Queen, King, and Big Mom fell without making any sort of statement for them, and now Kaido has been smashed without anyone else noticing. How else do you add any powerful meaning for the people, without ZKK?

How do you wrap up Zoro's arc if you mention all this crazy shit and then have him just silver medal at the end?
 
#32
CP0 in the entirety in possession of Marys Kaido's security system. Literally everything that happens in Onigashima they know about. There's a Valkyrie watching everything that happens in every fight and in the clash of armies. They even managed to accurately measure changes in numbers.

Nothing in Onigashima's attack will go unnoticed
That's a fact I clearly missed in my startpost, it's true.
So I guess if a Ryuma vs WG forces 2.0 does happen, Zoro would shock the people even more.
 
#33
I don't necessarily think Enma can be solely turned black by killing Kaido. As I said, I think the plot with the grim reaper is a potential new PU for Zoro, coming back stronger than ever.

Idk, a third party invading Wano, giving off Post Moria fight Thriller Bark vibes, only to be effortlessly wiped out by Zunisha needing 30+ chapters to cross the sea is kind of underwhelming. But I understand where you're coming from.
Enma turning black because of Calli is random as hell (pun intended), tbh, especially since there was no hint of it happening prior to 1033. Even Nika had mentions.
 
#36
Yep, we don't know what Oda is still up too. Prior to this chapter, I expected awakening, an extented fight and possibly at the end ZKK but the question is if Kaido ever gets up again this arc.

Honestly, I'd be mad if he does nothing at the end, at least living up one of Ryuma's legacy's is a fine start to make up for it, otherwise I can't decide how to keep my expectations for future arcs.
He literally said a strong punch won't be satisfying then he goes and seemingly ends it with a strong punch.

I think somewhere right now, Oda is just having a laugh at the fanbase:seriously:
 
#38
I've been thinking a lot about Zoro's role when he's dealing with the grim reaper and now that Kaido is most likely done, it's difficult imagining a ZKK scenario until further notice. However, this thought is not farfetched what Zoro might still pull out:

Even if ZKK doesn't happen (if Kaido's now done for good), I think Zoro still has the potential to live out one of Ryuma's legacy's: Fighting off the World Government out of Wano by himself. It is not a coincidence that the one CP0 guy immediately flew away from the island; he'll most likely give the reports of the war conclusion and they will all start their invasion soon. Luffy is done, other characters are heavily weakened too but Oda specifically highlighted the fact of Zoro possibly overcoming death despite the battle situation. Unless Oda just likes to waste panels - well, it is nothing new now... - I fail to see adding these grim reaper moments without a valid reason.
Therefore, we might see a potential new PU soon or even Zoro making Enma black, forging his own "Shusui". This will be the moment in which Zoro will shine again, having his next Thriller Bark moment.

We don't exactly know the full force of the CP0 and whether they have some hidden heavy hitters left but invading Wano, only to realise that they are still incapable taking it due to one individual ronin battling them off. This will also be a moment of Zoro making himself more famous than ever.

Sure, he took down King but nobody saw it exactly. He gave himself a new epithet but no person really witnessed this one either.
However, people will start looking at the man, calling himself "King of Hell", protecting their country by fighting off the very large world government trying to take their own home by force.

I don't know what you all think about this short theory but go ahead to share your viewpoints towards it!

he already had the "nothing happened" moment in Wano, h took the attack of 2 Yonko combined which broke his body, the same as he took the attack of Kuma and broke his body
His fight with king was a bonus equivalent to Ryuma's corpse
he is DONE
there are LOTS of characters still on the play who can beat WG easy and defend Luffy -> Yamato, Jinbe, Scabbards, Sanji, Franky, BROOK, etc
 
#40
Tbf, I'd expect Zoro to fight Fuji or that Monk Gorosei anyway. Anyone else is probably fodder at this point or not a difficult battle on that end (unless CP-0 actually has more powerful members)
If zoro does end up fighting ghandi who do you think will fight the other 4?

When it comes to fujitora and ryokugyu imo its definitely either zoro and sanji or kid and law thatll end up fighting them. Personally still leaning towards the captains
 
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