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...In connection with the Indi question I have this to say:

For hundreds of years Mafia games were good enough to receive these elements, although they added nothing except serial killers and survivors. What they possess today, they have by a very large extent gained at the cost of the less astute Mafia community by the most reprehensible manipulations. Today we are merely paying these Indi's what they deserve….
Back where I come from, indies stay hidden and play solo to achieve their wincon, that what makes playing an indie role so much fun. But apparently time has changed and we are in a new era where indies openly claim indie and want nothing more than cooperate with townies. I wish they had the same enthusiasm helping town when they are town themselves.
 

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Back where I come from, indies stay hidden and play solo to achieve their wincon, that what makes playing an indie role so much fun. But apparently time has changed and we are in a new era where indies openly claim indie and want nothing more than cooperate with townies. I wish they had the same enthusiasm helping town when they are town themselves.
Indies claiming is by no means a new concept, it likely originated in HeavensGames forums back in the mid 2000's.
 
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