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Strongest Yonko

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Tkriir

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This is something that's been used for Big Mom & Kaido to make them look superior to Shanks & Blackbeard. The idea being the stronger Yonko has the weaker crew , and the weaker crew has the stronger crew to make up for his lack of prowess. But it's a bogus idea that history of One Piece world past and future takes a dump on.

The stronger captain always has the stronger crew.

Xebec - recognized strongest of his time - had the strongest crew
Roger - recognized strongest of his time - had the strongest crew
WB - recognized strongest of his time - had the strongest crew (WB pirates vs Marine HQ being dubbed "war of the best" due to it being the battle between the two top forces on the seas) And as he stopped being the strongest, his crew also got more weaker (losing Teach & Thatch).
Luffy - strongest of his generation - has the strongest crew

The idea that Shanks & Blackbeard are weaker than Big Mom & Kaido but have the superior crews is absurd and insane. Shanks within only 6 years of being recognized as a Yonko had a bounty only 600 mil below Kaido & 300 mil below BM, the two who had been recognized as emperors for "decades".



The crews of Teach & Shanks were highlighted for their might. Something Kaido & Big Mom's weren't. Kaido and Big Mom got highlighted for their individual prowess, because that's the only notworthy thing about them in regards to the threatening prowess. While these two crews below possess monsters outside of their just captains. Beckman for example being highlighted to be an entity that rivals Shanks, and widely feared for his strength in the vivre card.




Blackbeard and Shanks have been the strongest Yonko since this timeskip started, and chapter 957 established that further. Those who have the most powerful crews, are the stronger captains. Even looking at the supernova members, the ones with the most notable crews are the strongest captains (Kid, Law, Luffy).

This is the history of One Piece world, the strong attract the strong.

Teach & Shanks > Big Mom & Kaido
RHP & BBP > BMP & BP
 
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Tkriir

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GoldDiamond said:
Shanks is confirmed weaker then kaido and Bm, teach gets a pass from it since he will improve
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If you mean statement made by Oda in the supplementry material, then no that wasn't a confirmation of Kaido & BM being superior to Shanks. That was Oda's point at their reputation. Kaido & BM in the OP-verse are held as the strongest Yonko, they're the pirates with the highest bounties out there. No different than Oda making statement in regards to Kaido which were related to Kaido's reputation of being the strongest

It's canonically established by Oda within the confines of the manga, the strongest crew = strongest captain. Those who are the strongest, attract the strongest subordinates.

SakazOuki said:
Makes sense
Worthy of note that Whitebeard was recognized as the WSM even in Roger’s era.
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The distinction being I think WSM didn't equate to being the strongest combatant, hence Chinjao & Shiki held Roger above WB, two individuals who knew both of their strengths. Since Roger can't bust down tectonic plates or make tsunamis hundreds of miles away, hence vivre card connected the WSM to the gura gura's powers as well.
 
Fujishiro

Fujishiro

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Tkriir said:
If you mean statement made by Oda in the supplementry material, then no that wasn't a confirmation of Kaido & BM being superior to Shanks. That was Oda's point at their reputation. Kaido & BM in the OP-verse are held as the strongest Yonko, they're the pirates with the highest bounties out there. No different than Oda making statement in regards to Kaido which were related to Kaido's reputation of being the strongest

It's canonically established by Oda within the confines of the manga, the strongest crew = strongest captain. Those who are the strongest, attract the strongest subordinates.


The distinction being I think WSM didn't equate to being the strongest combatant, hence Chinjao & Shiki held Roger above WB, two individuals who knew both of their strengths.
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Perhaps change your poll into individual Yonko and not grouped up like that.
 
GoldDiamond

GoldDiamond

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Tkriir said:
If you mean statement made by Oda in the supplementry material, then no that wasn't a confirmation of Kaido & BM being superior to Shanks. That was Oda's point at their reputation. Kaido & BM in the OP-verse are held as the strongest Yonko, they're the pirates with the highest bounties out there. No different than Oda making statement in regards to Kaido which were related to Kaido's reputation of being the strongest

It's canonically established by Oda within the confines of the manga, the strongest crew = strongest captain. Those who are the strongest, attract the strongest subordinates.
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It was in the magazine chapter so it’s confirmed by oda and editor
 
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Tkriir

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GoldDiamond said:
It was in the magazine chapter so it’s confirmed by oda and editor
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Yes which is "Supplementary material" as it's not within the actual manga. Kaido's already recognized as the strongest pirate within the manga. They simply stated Kaido & BM's reputation of being recognized as the two strongest Yonko within OPverse, having the top two bounties.
 
Fujishiro

Fujishiro

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Tkriir said:
Yes which is "Supplementary material" as it's not within the actual manga. Kaido's already recognized as the strongest pirate within the manga. They simply stated Kaido & BM's reputation of being recognized as the two strongest Yonko within OPverse, having the top two bounties.
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Yet here you are arguing he isnt,
 
GoldDiamond

GoldDiamond

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Tkriir said:
Yes which is "Supplementary material" as it's not within the actual manga. Kaido's already recognized as the strongest pirate within the manga. They simply stated Kaido & BM's reputation of being recognized as the two strongest Yonko within OPverse, having the top two bounties.
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Well the magazine chapter is a editor note , so oda editor writes it , which isn’t the narrator it’s out of verse knowledge, do you take vc serious?
 
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Tkriir

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Fujishiro said:
Yet here you are arguing he isnt,
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The entire point of my post is reputation =/= reality. The perception of BM & Kaido being the strongest held by fodders of OP world comes from the sheer fact BB & Shanks are much newer as Yonko, and haven't made any giant moves, thus have a lower bounty, thus not held as the strongest yonko.

BM & Kaido - highest bounties, been yonko for decades
Shanks - 3rd highest bounty , been yonko for 6 years
Teach - lowest bounty, been Yonko for 2 years or less

The perception of the OP world's fodders doesn't decide who the actual strongest is.

No credible Marine or Yonko has recognized Kaido as the strongest. Big Mom recognizes herself being superior to Kaido. Borsalino doesn't view Kaido as the strongest. Greenbull doesn't view Kaido as the strongest as he came to take on the people that beat him. Teach recognizes himself as the strongest, etc etc.

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Xebec as top 1 of his era by Sengoku.
Roger was put above Shiki by Sengoku, and above WB by Shiki & Chinjao
WB acknowledged superior to the other pirates by Garp, Akainu, Doflamingo, Sengoku, etc.

People with credibility recognize them as the top 1 of their eras. Their reputation is legit. BM & Kaido's isn't.

Luffy we see it happening on panel.


However, you're aiming to go against the established setup that Oda has created among the top pirates in OP History and future. The strongest attract the strongest subordinates.
 
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JoNdule

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#16
Except you're wrong

WB crew wasn't strongest
Roger didn't have the strongest crew either
Shiki the one who had the strongest crew (his fleets was called the strongest military)

Rocks had the strongest crew
BM has the strongest crew (her family) among Yonko
Kaido had the weakest crew
Shanks has the most balanced crew
 
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Sasaki Kojirō

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#17
Nobody comes close to Kaidou, the WSC, WSP, WSM, King 1v1, the strongest in the world, the strongest drunk in the world.

Oden: They are the ones who can strike down kaido!!

White beard: You think you can vanquish the man... that kouzuki Oden could not?!! don't be conceited ace!!!


Kaidou openly made a statement about all people that would include who would be the person who could take him down in the future, and his final conclusion was that Joyboy would be the man, without Prime WB, without Shanks, without Roger, without Navy or government.

Kaidou stated that no one in the world was capable of defeating him, this includes all of the higher ranks today, and he wasn't wrong because NIKA/JOYBOY didn't exist until Kaidou killed Luffy.


Kaidou is so strong that even KING doubts that JOYBOY he's been familiar with from the stories since he was a child will be able to defeat Kaidou.

Something that King has consistently said:

The embodiment of strength in the last 10 years after the GOD VALLEY incident.

Admiral Aramaki: "If kaidou were here, I wouldn't even have come, he's the one who kept the enemies away from Wano country."


Orochi: I din't ask you if it was possible or not. celestial dragons ? Navy? You must know...
that the country of wano does not fear these things. I have kaido backing me up!!!

Blackbeard: Meanwhile, events are taking place in wano, where the dreaded monster Kaido lives!!

Government: With the slightest chance of Kaidou falling, the government wanted to conquer Wano, but they didn't even dare enter the country while Kaidou was still in charge of Wano.
Government: I can't see Kaidou defeated.

Government, but precisely the 5 elders: So we've lost an elite agent...and made kaido angry,what was the point ?

Government: you want me to inferfere with kaido's battle ?! that's impossible!! they know full well it's impossible.Trying to stop Kaidou's confrontation with the government is seen as impossible for obvious reasons, they don't want to provoke Kaidou's fury.


Sengoku and Marine: He earned the respect of ferocious pirates through his individual stength alone...
 
IIskandar1997

IIskandar1997

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#18
People underestimate Kaido's crew a lot imo, forgetting that they were caught off guard and had to handle bullshit like Tama , not to mention the full force of the mink nation(during a full moon) and the crews of 2 of the strongest supernova:few: meanwhile some praise the BMPs, even though they failed to do anything besides capturing 2 people(who are already escaping)
 
Ven437

Ven437

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Tkriir said:
This is something that's been used for Big Mom & Kaido to make them look superior to Shanks & Blackbeard. The idea being the stronger Yonko has the weaker crew , and the weaker crew has the stronger crew to make up for his lack of prowess. But it's a bogus idea that history of One Piece world past and future takes a dump on.

The stronger captain always has the stronger crew.

Xebec - recognized strongest of his time - had the strongest crew
Roger - recognized strongest of his time - had the strongest crew
WB - recognized strongest of his time - had the strongest crew (WB pirates vs Marine HQ being dubbed "war of the best" due to it being the battle between the two top forces on the seas) And as he stopped being the strongest, his crew also got more weaker (losing Teach & Thatch).
Luffy - strongest of his generation - has the strongest crew
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Except Roger wasn’t the strongest, Whitebeard was. And Roger didn’t have the strongest crew, the man almost lost to Shiki who had the biggest fleet at the time.



Roger also sneaked around BM’s territory to get her Road Poneglyph, implying BM’s entire crew was already comparable or too much for his crew to handle.

 
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