Character Discussion Who is more relevant? Sanji or Nami?

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AverageNamiEnjoyer

Nami has highest panel time and would have been more if shounen fans didn't hate female characters. As Oda mentioned people didn't like that he was sending Female character in drafts.
 
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AverageNamiEnjoyer

:seriously:
Why talk about this topic after Wano of all arcs.

Surely importance is going to be decided on the final saga of OP.

No one debates how important a character is based off of the Dressrosa Saga
At the end of Dressrosa. Should I call Sanji less important than Zoro Nami and Usopp.

It's battle between Zoro and Sanji fandom mostly , I hope Oda keep doing and ruined the whole power-scale.
 

115673

The Walking Muscle, Plot-armor and Boobs Trio
Speaking of Kaido, Nami was one of two people present for the formation of the alliance that brought Kaido down. Again, stop while you're far behind.
Wasn’t she against it?

Nami has driven post timeskip in a fashion that only Luffy and Zoro have. Its embarassing to say otherwise.
Zoro hasn’t driven anything post-TS. Then again, I don't expect him to either. Nami had important role in WCI, but both in Wano and WCI, she got overshadowed by Sanji.

Look, I am not against Nami by any means. I am being realistic.
 
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AverageNamiEnjoyer

I don't agree with his point but If someone call Nami some character's bitch then I will surely consider that there some problem with that person.
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Wasn’t she against it?



Zoro hasn’t driven anything post-TS. Then again, I don't expect him to either. Nami had important role in WCI, but both in Wano and WCI, she got overshadowed by Sanji.

Look, I am not against Nami by any means. I am being realistic.
Then change your question and ask if Zoro is relevant?
 

115673

The Walking Muscle, Plot-armor and Boobs Trio
I don't agree with his point but If someone call Nami some character's bitch then I will surely consider that there some problem with that person.

Then change your question and ask if Zoro is relevant?
Already accepted that Zoro is not a driver of this story and probably won't ever be. Attacking Zoro seems completely unnecessary.
 
Sanji's relevance:

- Best cook in the world, his food can even replace the need of fighting when fighting isn't the best option available (like at convicing Bege with a cake spoon and stopping Big Mom when no one could, for example)

- One of the main combatants in the crew

- Known for his kindness that can turn enemies into allies, which ends up helping the crew at some point.

- Wing of the PK

- Already assumed the captain role in the "Twirly Hat Pirates" crew and was called the captain by Nami herself

- Luffy wants to end the hunger around the world and this is all about Sanji being a Chef and wanting to feed the people who are hungry.

- Luffy can't become the Pirate King without Sanji, according to Luffy himself

- Luffy when Nami tried to convince him to leave Whole Cake Island without Sanji: "Shut up!"

- Sanji is basically Oda's self insert
 
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AverageNamiEnjoyer

Already accepted that Zoro is not a driver of this story and probably won't ever be. Attacking Zoro seems completely unnecessary.
I already said I have no problem with Zoro and Sanji being more relevant. I only decided to post in this thread because they were trying to bring down Nami character. Retaliation is necessary.
 
Nami was heavily involved in the main themes of damn near every arc.
this is bullcrap, compared to the main players of the arc she is pretty much just a side kick and if you don't count the generic good hearted heroine troupe she was unnecessary for the arc


Fishman island = Victim of racism/ resolution with Jimbei.
only one i agree with, the theme of the arc incorporated her pretty good
Punk Hazard = Saved and freed the kidnapped, drugged, and experimented on children.
and? That's it. All she did was free some brats, they hardly had any relevance except to make CC look bad, she is just your generic good hearted children loving women. You can't make a heroine more bland

It was Sanji who saved Kinemon, it was Luffy who saved Momo, it was Law who started the yongo saga with his mountain cut

Zou = Was the most highlighted strawhat, she was narrating the Sanji flashback.
If your competition is chopper and brook, it's really not a feat, aside from narrating it, all she did was play the good hearted women again



WCI = Emotional anchor throughout the entire arc, when Luffy was fighting Katakuri she was the one giving the strawhats a reminder on respecting the Captain's order. She was also pivotal in taking down a sweet commander.
emotional anchor?! You can't be serious, she was pretty much a plot tool so luffy and Sanjis conflict can play out better

While luffy saw through Sanji, all she did was being a crybaby and playing into Sanji retarded charade

Her contribution to the cracker fight was being the holder of the vivre card from lola

And on the sunny she was overshadowed by jinbei who wasn't even a SH back then

She isn't heavily involved in the main themes of most arcs, she is always just the same, being reduced to a kind hearted women
 
Sanji's relevance:

- Best cook in the world, his food can even replace the need of fighting when fighting isn't the best option available (like at convicing Bege with a cake spoon and stopping Big Mom when no one could, for example)

- One of the main combatants in the crew

- Known for his kindness that can turn enemies into allies, which ends up helping the crew at some point.

- Wing of the PK

- Already assumed the captain role in the "Twirly Hat Pirates" crew and was called the captain by Nami herself

- Luffy wants to end the hunger around the world and this is all about Sanji being a Chef and wanting to feed the people who are hungry.

- Luffy can't become the Pirate King without Sanji, according to Luffy himself

- Luffy when Nami tried to convince him to leave Whole Cake Island without Sanji: "Shut up!"

- Sanji is basically Oda's self insert

I also think Nami is very proeminent in the story


- She gets involved in almost all the plots, even in the slightest

- Sometimes she even manages to override Luffy, Zoro and Sanji's decision making

- Extremely important by being the Navigator and wants to create a map of the whole One Piece world



Unfortunately she suffers from a lot of fanservice.

So, i don't hate Nami or anything, she is one of my favorites actually... I just think its clear as day that Sanji and Zoro got all the baggage to be considered more relevant than everyone else in the crew, doesn't matter who joins.
 

115673

The Walking Muscle, Plot-armor and Boobs Trio
I already said I have no problem with Zoro and Sanji being more relevant. I only decided to post in this thread because they were trying to bring down Nami character. Retaliation is necessary.
The question was - who is more relevant? Sanji or Nami? I answered what felt like the way the manga is progressing. You didn’t stick to the question at all. Even at one point, you claimed Sanji and Nami are the only two good characters of the manga.

Attacking Zoro is pointless. Zoro doesn’t drive story, he is the combatant. He doesn’t need a rescue arc, he is not connected to any special family, he doesn't have family/emotional issues, he doesn’t get into troubles that he can't get out of by himself. So, story-driving potential was always very little for Zoro. It doesn’t matter to Zoro fans.
 
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AverageNamiEnjoyer

The question was - who is more relevant? Sanji or Nami? I answered what felt like the way the manga is progressing. You didn’t stick to the question at all. Even at one point, you claimed Sanji and Nami are the only two good characters of the manga.

Attacking Zoro is pointless. Zoro doesn’t drive story, he is the combatant. He doesn’t need a rescue arc, he is not connected to any special family, he doesn't have family/emotional issues, he doesn’t get into troubles that he can't get out of by himself. So, story-driving potential was always very little for Zoro. It doesn’t matter to Zoro fans.
I called Sanji and Nami only good character because someone called them garbage. I didn't bring Zoro first , you were the one who assume I was talking about Zoro when I was talking about every character.

I simply considering both Zoro and Sanji less relevant than Nami. So question will be who is more relevant between Sanji and Zoro?
 
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AverageNamiEnjoyer

I simply just gonna say wait till end.
You will realise which character is important.
Useless discussion. Question was about being more relevant answers were trash talking Nami.
I don't see Zoro and Sanji actually playing bigger role than Nami in any way in endgame. As whole she will simply look more important.
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
this is bullcrap, compared to the main players of the arc she is pretty much just a side kick and if you don't count the generic good hearted heroine troupe she was unnecessary for the arc


only one i agree with, the theme of the arc incorporated her pretty good
and? That's it. All she did was free some brats, they hardly had any relevance except to make CC look bad, she is just your generic good hearted children loving women. You can't make a heroine more bland

It was Sanji who saved Kinemon, it was Luffy who saved Momo, it was Law who started the yongo saga with his mountain cut



If your competition is chopper and brook, it's really not a feat, aside from narrating it, all she did was play the good hearted women again



emotional anchor?! You can't be serious, she was pretty much a plot tool so luffy and Sanjis conflict can play out better

While luffy saw through Sanji, all she did was being a crybaby and playing into Sanji retarded charade

Her contribution to the cracker fight was being the holder of the vivre card from lola

And on the sunny she was overshadowed by jinbei who wasn't even a SH back then

She isn't heavily involved in the main themes of most arcs, she is always just the same, being reduced to a kind hearted women
You realize you can do this for any strawhat right? Including Zoro.
 
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