Nobody is going to heaven Part 1

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Whenever someone dies everyone always say RIP and they are in heaven smiling down at their love ones. If people use their brains they would know this is two contradictory statements. When you rest in peace you are sleeping but if you are heaven you are clearly not sleeping. The truth is absolutely beautiful when you accept it.

So rather than discuss this lets go the bible and see what Jesus our LORD has to say.

DISCLAIMER
1. If you hate the bible and don't want to know then move on, I do not wish to offend anyone. I only want to put this truth on the table for those who are searching and curious as to what God told us.
2. I will quote scriptures and have them here word for word from the KJV bible. I encourage you to look at yours as well or download the app so that you can't say I added something to God's word if you don't trust me. I will not use any other version of the bible. I will have the scriptures in green and Jesus statements from the new testament will be in red. I will also bold things that you should pay attention to from the scripture.
3. You can ask questions and I will answer using scriptures because lets be honest no one cares what I think.
4. I will not be interpreting anything if something is not clear we go to another precept everything the king of kings wants us to know is in the 66 (the bible).
5. I wanted this to be in two parts because first you need to understand that there is more than one heaven.


LETS GET STARTED
Genesis 1: 1 - 2
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.


When we define void it means completely empty so it was just pitch black water. The image below is to represent what God means because water does not have form it takes the shape of whatever we put it in and that's just common sense.

Genesis 1: 3 - 4
3 And God said, let there be light and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good and God divided light from darkness.
5 And God called the light Day and the darkness he called Night. And evening and the morning were the first day.


So far I think everything is easy. So now God is lighting this darkness to divide day and night. Notice he said evening and morning because that is how God counts days; man count days from midnight to midnight and you can't even tell the difference between 11:59pm and 12:00am. Images below of light being shined upon the waters.

Genesis 1: 6 - 8
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day


So God made a firmament and called it Heaven. Notice I did not interpret anything, whatever God called it is what it is so image below to represent what it looks like.

Genesis 1: 9
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.


Jesus said let the waters under the heaven so clearly he is talking about the firmament that he calls heaven. So in the image above all waters were moved together. Then the dry land appeared. When something appears it means it was already there but hidden. Now we have the earth in the image below.

Everything else is talking about what God made at the 3rd day so lets jump down.
Genesis 1: 14
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.


Hold up a minute why is God making light again? In verse 3 we saw that God clearly made light. I will tell you why, God is the original scientist because he made the firmament the light he made from Genesis 1: 3 is being blocked the waters above the firmament. Whenever you go in the sea the deeper you go, the darker it gets and that's why God had to make light in the firmament, so that we could see. If God did not make the sun and the moon we would be in complete darkness because the waters above the heaven is blocking the light from the 3rd Heaven. Lets add the image so we can see it.

Genesis 1 : 20
And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.


So there are fowls flying in the open firmament of the heaven. Obviously this is the sky. So if you want to go to heaven then take a plane or jump.

Now lets get some precepts on how many Heavens are present

2 Corinthians 12: 2
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.


So the heaven where Jesus is currently living is the 3rd Heaven. lets take a look at another precept

Psalms 148: 3 - 5
3 Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light.
4 Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.
5 Let them praise the name of the Lord: for he commanded, and they were created.


Heavens of heavens? Hmmm this in itself should let people know there is more than 1 heaven. Waters is above the firmament as I said earlier so he is talking about the 2nd heaven here. This is biblical proof that what we call the sky is in fact heaven. So lets find out where the first heaven is located.

Deuteronomy 30: 1, 3 - 5
1 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the Lord thy God hath driven thee,
3 That then the Lord thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the Lord thy God hath scattered thee.
4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the Lord thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:
5 And the Lord thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.


So the Earth is heaven. This makes Earth is 1st heaven so that's three. Lets get another witness.

2 Peter 3: 3 - 5
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:


Wait the Earth is standing out of the waters? The heavens were of old? Because the Earth is the 1st heaven as you read in Genesis 1: 9
Those are the 3 Heavens. So when I said nobody is going to heaven I'm really talking about the 3rd heaven because we already standing on Heaven. When we die we go back into the Earth where we came from.
Genesis 3: 19
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Thanks for reading if you have questions please ask.

I will build on Genesis 3: 19 in the next part to prove that Jesus is not a liar. Didn't want this being too long. When someone gets buried that's where they stay until the LORD comes so atheists' has one thing right. When you die it's like a state of nothingness because it's as if you are sleeping.
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If you have questions just post them and I will answer with the bible verses again no one cares what I have to say. I am still learning as well but I do at least have the heaven stuff down. If I don't know I will just tell you or direct you to a video that explains better. If you want to reason then it has to be about what's written in the bible, not debating with anyone so if you think there are 4 heavens and you can't find the 4th one then don't bother. Thanks for reading.
 
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Jew D. Boy

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6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so
PLEASE tell me this post is gonna transition into us filming a Project Badass video over the Schuylkill River :neesama:
 
#7
You're wrong. And the only thing this forum likes is some pedophile manga about pirates, so it's useless to discuss anything that requires thought here.

So I won't waste any more time on this.
 
#8
So you were just mad that you saw the Islam group, then? GTFO with this shit
No I wasn't, you have the right to choose to do what you want. I don't even know what Islam believe. I got upset as I indicated in the rant thread about Christianity and lying pastors, Islam is something totally different and I don't even know anything about it.
Mfw I am being Jewish while Jesus is our LORD
You have scriptures to prove that Jesus is not LORD?
You're wrong. And the only thing this forum likes is some pedophile manga about pirates, so it's useless to discuss anything that requires thought here.

So I won't waste any more time on this.
Well its for the people who want to know. So if you don't want to know then nothing I can do.
 

Jew D. Boy

I Can Go Lower
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No I wasn't, you have the right to choose to do what you want. I don't even know what Islam believe. I got upset as I indicated in the rant thread about Christianity and lying pastors, Islam is something totally different and I don't even know anything about it.

You have scriptures to prove that Jesus is not LORD?

Well its for the people who want to know. So if you don't want to know then nothing I can do.
Why am I not surprised that a religious zealot jumped to the โ€œProve a negativeโ€ bullshit right the fuck away?? Itโ€™s very clear that youโ€™re firmly entrenched in your beliefs and arenโ€™t capable of processing dissenting opinions, so no, I definitely canโ€™t say anything thatโ€™s gonna change your mind :smart:
 

K!NG HARA$H!MA

Hustlerversity Graduate
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LMAO DUDE.

It's clear you MAD about Christian sectarianism, strands of Christianities method to how to understand the theology, prophecy and how to interpret texts and how to approach social issues, which btw a THOUSANDS YEARS problem.

And you want that solve that all by yourself by posting in a WEEB forum ?!!

:risitavirus::risitavirus::shame::hapnoel:



I'm sure there's MANY Religious forum, gtfo there.


Might I add your apocalyptic view about the world and your Genocidal Jesus version is not shared by many strands of Christianity.
 

Jew D. Boy

I Can Go Lower
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Ayooo he has the right to do so whether it is an inspiration or not it doesn't justify this grotesque reaction

so show some human decency twat
Wordy is at least ten times more valuable to this community than you or the aspiring con man/televangelist youโ€™re defending, rethink this one because it makes you look like the real dick :beckmoji:
 
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No I wasn't, you have the right to choose to do what you want. I don't even know what Islam believe. I got upset as I indicated in the rant thread about Christianity and lying pastors, Islam is something totally different and I don't even know anything about it.

You have scriptures to prove that Jesus is not LORD?

Well its for the people who want to know. So if you don't want to know then nothing I can do.
You have chosen to start what appears to be your weak attempt at your own ministry here, though. Don't you see why it's sanctimonious, self-aggrandizing, and downright insulting to show up with a bunch of lectures and "lessons" and then tell people if they have questions to come to you?

You think you need to witness to the WG forum? You think skyDaddy will give you head pats for that? And that YOU'RE the one who needs to do it? You barely have any grasp of what you're saying in the first place.

Ayooo he has the right to do so whether it is an inspiration or not it doesn't justify this grotesque reaction

so show some human decency twat
I'll do no such thing. I do not owe this person any respect when they show up and post a bunch of "You're all going to hell" bullshit. I can smell this shit a mile away.
If he'd wanted to make a Christian social club, that would be one thing. Instead, he's decided to use this place as his pulpit so he can interpret the bible for us. This is the wrong forum, the wrong approach, and a laughable attempt at saving all us poor sinners. I won't let anyone tell me that the human state is naturally evil and doomed to hell.
 
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Bro why u copying Finalbeta with the high level verbiage
This a weeb forum lol
are you admitting that the intellectual and rational standards of people here hit rock bottom

i dont think so
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Wordy is at least ten times more valuable to this community than you or the aspiring con man/televangelist youโ€™re defending, rethink this one because it makes you look like the real dick :beckmoji:
the value he's brought here is that of a dismissive bigot pitching irrelevant reasons to insult the OP.. i don't want to represent THAT same value.. think of me as you like i couldn't care less about your seniority-entitled opinion

but he hasn't a shit's worth right to be salty about shit he doesn't agree with or any other absurd assumption..

i expect more form you when you allude that this a weeb form.. then political discussions should be zipped too.

if you don't agree with something.. your criticism is welcomed but bitching isn't. there is a difference.
 
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are you admitting that the intellectual and rational standards of people here hit rock bottom

i dont think so
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the value he's brought here is that of a bigot.. i don't want to represent the same value.. think of me as you like

but he hasn't a shit's worth right to be salty about shit he doesn't agree with or any other absurd assumption..

i expect more form you when you allude that this a weeb form.. then political discussions should be zipped too.

if you don't agree with something.. your criticism is welcomed but bitching isn't.
:snoopy::lawsigh:
fuck, is this another FinalBeta in the making
 
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:snoopy::lawsigh:
fuck, is this another FinalBeta in the making

I'll do no such thing. I do not owe this person any respect when they show up and post a bunch of "You're all going to hell" bullshit. I can smell this shit a mile away.
If he'd wanted to make a Christian social club, that would be one thing. Instead, he's decided to use this place as his pulpit so he can interpret the bible for us. This is the wrong forum, the wrong approach, and a laughable attempt at saving all us poor sinners. I won't let anyone tell me that the human state is naturally evil and doomed to hell.
assuming intentions.. and not discussing things in a civil and rational manner is not the way..pitching your insecurities isn't.. don't gemme that corny .. "weeb forum"
if you're a Christian you are obligated to respond to your fellow Christian in a manner of respect.. well him being wrong
just obligates you to correct him...what's someone like YOU thinking of making a Christian club..
 
#19
People said there's water above the sky because the sky is blue.
I never heard that claim though, the sky is blue because it reflects the ocean.
Why am I not surprised that a religious zealot jumped to the โ€œProve a negativeโ€ bullshit right the fuck away?? Itโ€™s very clear that youโ€™re firmly entrenched in your beliefs and arenโ€™t capable of processing dissenting opinions, so no, I definitely canโ€™t say anything thatโ€™s gonna change your mind :smart:
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You have chosen to start what appears to be your weak attempt at your own ministry here, though. Don't you see why it's sanctimonious, self-aggrandizing, and downright insulting to show up with a bunch of lectures and "lessons" and then tell people if they have questions to come to you?

You think you need to witness to the WG forum? You think skyDaddy will give you head pats for that? And that YOU'RE the one who needs to do it? You barely have any grasp of what you're saying in the first place.


I'll do no such thing. I do not owe this person any respect when they show up and post a bunch of "You're all going to hell" bullshit. I can smell this shit a mile away.
If he'd wanted to make a Christian social club, that would be one thing. Instead, he's decided to use this place as his pulpit so he can interpret the bible for us. This is the wrong forum, the wrong approach, and a laughable attempt at saving all us poor sinners. I won't let anyone tell me that the human state is naturally evil and doomed to hell.
When did I say you are going to hell? Why are you so upset?
 
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