Why Sanji fans were assuming Sanji's CoO > Zoro's because Tashigi while same fans won't mention Zoro sensing Sake from a mile away.

[Chrono]

So now you define the rules by which objects can become animate and alive.

Fusing with stones is Pica's DF ability. He can give that stone eyes and make it speak. The stone also becomes animate.

Not really. If Pica was able to control the Golem...without being inside it. Then I would give him this. But he can only do it inside the Golem. Which means that if any life force is getting used....its his. Meaning whatever damage that haopens to the Golem...would happen to him. Cause you know thats what normally happens when you merge with it lmao


Yes and if he fused with it. Then he wouldve also taken damage with it whenever it was cut. His life force isnt fused with it....or he wouldve already been dead.

 

[comrade]

Not really. If Pica was able to control the Golem...without being inside it. Then I would give him this. But he can only do it inside the Golem

And that proves our point.. Viola said that Pica is a stone assimilation man. Saying that he can absorb stone and completely control it. Absorbing means becoming part of you.

So why tf does the stone golem receive human eyes? Why can the golem speak?

 

[Chrono]

We aint talking about the separate soldiers im on about the specific one cracker was in. Luffy had no idea.
So there weren't 2 things to sense ( cracker and the soldier) there was one.

And when pica is in the golem its the same. You cant sense picas actual body.
Now i know youre only a kid so this is probably too difficult for you to follow. But it wont be explained more simply than that.

This entire argument is stupid. Because unlike the Pica argument. Cracker doesnt have much space to hide in.

There are two ways this can go...Either Cracker's life force inhabited the soldier. Meaning that Luffy only has one thing to sense. Or that Cracker's life force was within the soldier'a life force. And we know the rules of that....


Either way Luffy's CoO doesnt look bad. Unlike Zoro's one where have no idea if Pica's entire life force inhadbited the golem.

 

[True God Moe]

Anyone got link to the thread with comparing Sanji's COO and Speed with Zoro's around? Looking for it.

 

[Chrono]

And that proves our point.. Viola said that Pica is a stone assimilation man. Saying that he can absorb stone and completely control it. Absorbing means becoming part of you.

So why tf does the stone golem receive human eyes? Why can the golem speak?

If it became part of him. Then he will feel the damage that the stone feels. He absorbs the stone sure...but it has nothing to do with life force.


Oda's weird quirks.

 

[comrade]

we have no idea if Pica's entire life force inhadbited the golem.

Then why do you think your assumption proves your point? It's biased. At least we can say we don't know and hence it shouldn't be used to evaluate Zoro's CoO.

But what about Zoro sensing Daz' steel body, sensing the rocks and sensing his sword beneath the rocks, even pre TS? He is the only character shown so far able to sense inanimate objects.

 

[HA001]

This entire argument is stupid. Because unlike the Pica argument. Cracker doesnt have much space to hide in.

There are two ways this can go...Either Cracker's life force inhabited the soldier. Meaning that Luffy only has one thing to sense. Or that Cracker's life force was within the soldier'a life force. And we know the rules of that....


Either way Luffy's CoO doesnt look bad. Unlike Zoro's one where have no idea if Pica's entire life force inhadbited the golem.

What the fuck are you talking about. Enel couldnt sense luffy inside a snake. Did they fuse their life force ? When the snake was hurt did luffy feel it ?

 

[Chrono]

Then why do you think your assumption proves your point? It's biased. At least we can say we don't know and hence it shouldn't be used to evaluate Zoro's CoO.

But what about Zoro sensing Daz' steel body, sensing the rocks and sensing his sword beneath the rocks, even pre TS? He is the only character shown so far able to sense inanimate objects.

Generally if Oda doesnt say it/show it. Then it never happened. So I am more right than you are....Anyways arent we both using our subjective views to prove our own different points ? Why getting annoyed now lol.

Yh I dont give a fuck about pre timeskip Zoro to try and tie random shit together. I dont think he used CoO anyways....

What the fuck are you talking about. Enel couldnt sense luffy inside a snake. Did they fuse their life force ? When the snake was hurt did luffy feel it ?

What are you talking about ?

I gave you two points. One where the life force takes over the inanimate object. And the other where the life force hides within another life force.

Luffy hiding within the Nola ties within my second point. So why are you bringing up my first ?

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

This thread is a meme itself

 

[Thabeast]

Where does it show he tried ?

Where does it show Zoro tried?

 

[comrade]

Generally if Oda doesnt say it/show it. Then it never happened. So I am more right than you are....Anyways arent we both using our subjective views to prove our own different points ? Why getting annoyed now lol.

Well. We displayed some good evidence (Zoro distinguishing between dead and non dead stone and the golem having real eyes and voice and the fact Luffy sensed neither Pica inside the golem, nor Cracker inside the soldier). What is your counter argument? Just disagreeing.

 

[HA001]

Generally if Oda doesnt say it/show it. Then it never happened. So I am more right than you are....Anyways arent we both using our subjective views to prove our own different points ? Why getting annoyed now lol.

Yh I dont give a fuck about pre timeskip Zoro to try and tie random shit together. I dont think he used CoO anyways....






What are you talking about ?

I gave you two points. One where the life force takes over the inanimate object. And the other where the life force hides within another life force.

Luffy hiding within the Nola ties within my second point. So why are you bringing up my first ?

Weve three examples of when someone is concealed they cannot be sensed.
You tell me why can picas real body be located ? Or better yet how could sanji.

 

[Chrono]

Where does it show Zoro tried?

Ok...so Zoro is a retard. Fought him the entire match and it never came to him to use CoO

Well. We displayed some good evidence (Zoro distinguishing between dead and non dead stone and the golem having real eyes and voice and the fact Luffy sensed neither Pica inside the golem, nor Cracker inside the soldier). What is your counter argument? Just disagreeing.

No Zoro distingushing between moving and dead stone. And i have shown evidence of Zoro literally seeing moving stone within the Golem.

Showing it was more to do with DF then life force. He can see where he is....not sense the life force moving away.

Idk why he has eyes and a mouth ? Maybe for design ? Who knows...

 

[Chrono]

Weve three examples of when someone is concealed they cannot be sensed.
You tell me why can picas real body be located ? Or better yet how could sanji.

No...when they are within a living being they cannot be sense. The Golem isnt living at all. Its being controled by the inside...
Sanji has better CoO....he could find him lol.

 

[ShadyOjiro]

Ok...so Zoro is a retard. Fought him the entire match and it never came to him to use CoO



No Zoro distingushing between moving and dead stone. And i have shown evidence of Zoro literally seeing moving stone within the Golem.

Showing it was more to do with DF then life force. He can see where he is....not sense the life force moving away.

Idk why he has eyes and a mouth ? Maybe for design ? Who knows...

Eyes and mouth ....maybe Oda complementing Zoro words about the the the golem being alive.

 

[Chrono]

Eyes and mouth ....maybe Oda complementing Zoro words about the the the golem being alive.

Or maybe Pica using it to see outside of the Golem or speak ?

Never thought of that now...did you.

 

[Finalbeta]

This thread is a meme itself

Grandmaster god-dom vs Krunji fans my dear man

A showdown that will keep on goin' even after our natural deaths

 

[Jew D. Boy]

 

[HA001]

No...when they are within a living being they cannot be sense. The Golem isnt living at all. Its being controled by the inside...
Sanji has better CoO....he could find him lol.

Crackers biscuits arent living beings.
Luffy has better coo and couldnt do it twice in similar situations.

 

[ShadyOjiro]

Or maybe Pica using to see outside of the Golem or speak ?

Never thought of that now...did you.

You are going far away from what the author decided to make say a character .



@comrade is on point, I never realized that detail.