Powers & Abilities Zoro's sword skills didn't change much since his debut
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You literally debunk your entire post with your first line: "He hasn't shown CoC" arguments to downplay the idea that mihawks CoC is above Shanks and swordsmanship is about CoC is nonsense since Mihawk has never been fleshed out"
You're completely right, why are you making up silly head canon to justify your agenda when these characters like Shanks, Mihawk, Garp, and Dragon haven't been fleshed out? My entire point with the Sanji example is that if I claim Sanji has CoC without any evidence, than it is a completely imaginary claim, which is exactly what your head canon is all about. Maybe Mihawk doesn't have CoC, but I'm not making that claim because I have no evidence to prove he doesn't, just like I have evidence the proves Mihawk has CoC. I believe Mihawk probably has CoC, but until his CoC is revealed in the story, I'm not going to go blabber about some made-up nonsense.
You literally debunk your entire post with your first line: "He hasn't shown CoC" arguments to downplay the idea that mihawks CoC is above Shanks and swordsmanship is about CoC is nonsense since Mihawk has never been fleshed out"
You're completely right, why are you making up silly head canon to justify your agenda when these characters like Shanks, Mihawk, Garp, and Dragon haven't been fleshed out? My entire point with the Sanji example is that if I claim Sanji has CoC without any evidence, than it is a completely imaginary claim, which is exactly what your head canon is all about. Maybe Mihawk doesn't have CoC, but I'm not making that claim because I have no evidence to prove he doesn't, just like I have evidence the proves Mihawk has CoC. I believe Mihawk probably has CoC, but until his CoC is revealed in the story, I'm not going to go blabber about some made-up nonsense.
If Zoros Growth is all about Haki and Zoro is trying to surpass Mihawk..doesn't it mean you need to grow Haki more than anything else to surpass Mihawk? @Red Admiral
Alabasta Zoro if I'm generous
You literally debunk your entire post with your first line: "He hasn't shown CoC" arguments to downplay the idea that mihawks CoC is above Shanks and swordsmanship is about CoC is nonsense since Mihawk has never been fleshed out"
You're completely right, why are you making up silly head canon to justify your agenda when these characters like Shanks, Mihawk, Garp, and Dragon haven't been fleshed out? My entire point with the Sanji example is that if I claim Sanji has CoC without any evidence, than it is a completely imaginary claim, which is exactly what your head canon is all about. Maybe Mihawk doesn't have CoC, but I'm not making that claim because I have no evidence to prove he doesn't, just like I have evidence the proves Mihawk has CoC. I believe Mihawk probably has CoC, but until his CoC is revealed in the story, I'm not going to go blabber about some made-up nonsense.
What Shanks did in Wano looks like some special haki that is reserved by Oda to skill-less bitches like Shanks, Rayleigh and Roger because they can't fight for shit. Still not enough to close the gap with Mihawk though.
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You literally debunk your entire post with your first line: "He hasn't shown CoC" arguments to downplay the idea that mihawks CoC is above Shanks and swordsmanship is about CoC is nonsense since Mihawk has never been fleshed out"
You're completely right, why are you making up silly head canon to justify your agenda when these characters like Shanks, Mihawk, Garp, and Dragon haven't been fleshed out? My entire point with the Sanji example is that if I claim Sanji has CoC without any evidence, than it is a completely imaginary claim, which is exactly what your head canon is all about. Maybe Mihawk doesn't have CoC, but I'm not making that claim because I have no evidence to prove he doesn't, just like I have evidence the proves Mihawk has CoC. I believe Mihawk probably has CoC, but until his CoC is revealed in the story, I'm not going to go blabber about some made-up nonsense.
I'll give you an example on the FishMan Karate
Jinbe deflected Hodies water shot with his own. Despite enormous strength, Hodies FishMan Karate was at a novice level. That is why Jinbe could easily deflect it. Because he has better skill in FMK then Hodi, who uses only the power gained from steroids and novice level FMK.
If you really think, that Zoro didn't improve(much) his technics since start, that is not sound good. I hope that is just a joke.
All types of skill-based techniques have different skill levels. From beginner to master. Swordsmanship, Rokushiki, FMK etc. The same techniques were performed by different characters at different levels. Even without Haki. Luffy, Zoro and Sanji have learned Haki, but they have also greatly improved their skills.
Sanji also uses the same techniques as in the beginning, but does anyone say that they are at the same level as in the beginning? Or is Usopp's shooting skill at the same level and has not improved at all?
What kind of agenda you are trying to push here?
Jinbe deflected Hodies water shot with his own. Despite enormous strength, Hodies FishMan Karate was at a novice level. That is why Jinbe could easily deflect it. Because he has better skill in FMK then Hodi, who uses only the power gained from steroids and novice level FMK.
If you really think, that Zoro didn't improve(much) his technics since start, that is not sound good. I hope that is just a joke.
All types of skill-based techniques have different skill levels. From beginner to master. Swordsmanship, Rokushiki, FMK etc. The same techniques were performed by different characters at different levels. Even without Haki. Luffy, Zoro and Sanji have learned Haki, but they have also greatly improved their skills.
Sanji also uses the same techniques as in the beginning, but does anyone say that they are at the same level as in the beginning? Or is Usopp's shooting skill at the same level and has not improved at all?
What kind of agenda you are trying to push here?
Well most things are headcanon but one can speculate.
Let's examine Whitebeard and Roger and how their fights ended on equal terms:
1. Their haki clashes equally.
2. Wb is a monster in physical strength (look at Weevil erasing towns)
3. Wb lost a third of his head to magma without reacting then split the island (not to mention heart attack and previous injuries) then stomped Blackbeard, easily top endurance. That's old Wb too not prime.
4. Supreme blade
5. The most powerful paramecia that can level the world
There's nothing for Roger that puts him remotely close from Wb besides
1. Haki that clashes equally
2. Supreme blade
You can argue that Wb doesn't use Gura to its full potential to avoid harm to his crew but still
So there has to be something besides the haki that clashed equally with Wb, something similiar to CoO killer
Let's examine Whitebeard and Roger and how their fights ended on equal terms:
1. Their haki clashes equally.
2. Wb is a monster in physical strength (look at Weevil erasing towns)
3. Wb lost a third of his head to magma without reacting then split the island (not to mention heart attack and previous injuries) then stomped Blackbeard, easily top endurance. That's old Wb too not prime.
4. Supreme blade
5. The most powerful paramecia that can level the world
There's nothing for Roger that puts him remotely close from Wb besides
1. Haki that clashes equally
2. Supreme blade
You can argue that Wb doesn't use Gura to its full potential to avoid harm to his crew but still
So there has to be something besides the haki that clashed equally with Wb, something similiar to CoO killer
No that's not how it works
Yamato has shown CoC and Garp hasn't so Yamato doesn't have by default stronger CoC than Garp.
We have to go by Hype.
Mihawks belongs in Kingly ambition group with Roger.
Shanks is a mere Yonko a title mihawk spits on.
If his ambition is below Mihawk his CoC by default is below Mihawk even if Oda hasn't revealed Mihawks CoC yet.
It probably makes sense anyways best comes last
Yamato has shown CoC and Garp hasn't so Yamato doesn't have by default stronger CoC than Garp.
We have to go by Hype.
Mihawks belongs in Kingly ambition group with Roger.
Shanks is a mere Yonko a title mihawk spits on.
If his ambition is below Mihawk his CoC by default is below Mihawk even if Oda hasn't revealed Mihawks CoC yet.
It probably makes sense anyways best comes last
How do you scale fundamentally. If Baratie Zoro learns these refined movements and gets shisui, does he cut Pica without haki?
Here's what we have:
1. He's defniitely stronger than Oden, since it would be dumb if Zoro doesn't surpass him after he beats Mihawk
2. He fought for years against CoC user Shanks
3. He's Zoro's final opponent so it would be even dumber than first point if he doesn't have it
4. He is the WSS, challenged multiple people to reach this postion and invites new swordmasters to beat him
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Here's what we have:
1. He's defniitely stronger than Oden, since it would be dumb if Zoro doesn't surpass him after he beats Mihawk
2. He fought for years against CoC user Shanks
3. He's Zoro's final opponent so it would be even dumber than first point if he doesn't have it
4. He is the WSS, challenged multiple people to reach this postion and invites new swordmasters to beat him