Powers & Abilities Zoro's sword skills didn't change much since his debut

[Four]

Because of astronomical gap in strength lol
Oni Giri is technique Zoro had it for years. He created it.

Then he used his post time skip amped up stats to add insane power to it

Then CoA to make it even stronger
Then CoC

That's what I am saying. It's insane to say Zoro's abilities have remained stagnant except for haki or raw physical strength.
Without technique to correctly apply them, those things mean nothing.
We know Zoro wants to become the strongest swordsmen in the world, and it's everything you mentioned and more that make that happen, not just one thing.

Zoro's original techniques, that are refined overtime
all 3 aspects of haki and their advanced versions
physical strength

It's all of those things

 

[ShishioIsBack]

That's what I am saying. It's insane to say Zoro's abilities have remained stagnant except for haki or raw physical strength.
Without technique to correctly apply them, those things mean nothing.
We know Zoro wants to become the strongest swordsmen in the world, and it's everything you mentioned and more that make that happen, not just one thing.

Zoro's original techniques, that are refined overtime
all 3 aspects of haki and their advanced versions
physical strength

It's all of those things

So basically same as Roger and Shanks?

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

This thread was made comprehensible for all Shanks fanboys aged 7-10, it is advised you read this with your parents.


Pre-ts vs Post-ts Zoro comparisons.
1. Oni giri

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Skill

Skill + strength

2. Sanzen Sekai

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Skill

Skill + strength

3. Shishi Son Son

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Skill

skill + strength

4. Asura

Spoiler

Skill

Skill + strength

As you can see Zoro skillfully performs the same moves in both cases, but the firepower is different due to haki.
From that we conclude the WSS title is mainly based on haki

Raise your hand if you have any questions

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Lmao, this thread is goated and funny.

 

[Cinera]

WSS is swordsman with strongest Haki that's what the OP is trying to tell you

Because only thing Zoro grows in..on his journey to mihawk is Haki.

To be fair, it's probably haki and physical strength.

Post skip Zoro has a lot more muscle mass than preskip Zoro; it's probably not just for show.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

To be fair, it's probably haki and physical strength.

Post skip Zoro has a lot more muscle mass than preskip Zoro; it's probably not just for show.

Yeah I mean zoro show cased physical strength growth in FMI and didn't use Haki

In wano his growth was strictly all about Haki
I think Zoro has maximized his physicals

 

[Cinera]

You literally debunk your entire post with your first line: "He hasn't shown CoC" arguments to downplay the idea that mihawks CoC is above Shanks and swordsmanship is about CoC is nonsense since Mihawk has never been fleshed out"

You're completely right, why are you making up silly head canon to justify your agenda when these characters like Shanks, Mihawk, Garp, and Dragon haven't been fleshed out? My entire point with the Sanji example is that if I claim Sanji has CoC without any evidence, than it is a completely imaginary claim, which is exactly what your head canon is all about. Maybe Mihawk doesn't have CoC, but I'm not making that claim because I have no evidence to prove he doesn't, just like I have evidence the proves Mihawk has CoC. I believe Mihawk probably has CoC, but until his CoC is revealed in the story, I'm not going to go blabber about some made-up nonsense.

You're position seems to be that "Mihawk has Haoshoku haki" is exactly as substantiated as "Sanji has Haoshoku haki"; do you actually believe this?

 

[BornInAbyss]

How hype would it be to see mihawk in action the next few chapters? I wanna see some black lightning and sky splitting.

 

[Cinera]

Sure, but my point is that the title isn't strictly based on haki. Not disagreeing with the the fact that great haki is required, but rather the notion that having great haki is more important than strength and swordsman technique.

Haki is in fact more important to swordsmanship than physical strength or skill:

• Zoro's only flashback with Mihawk was about learning Busoshoku haki.
• Zoro's training and growth in Wano was all about mastering his haki.
• Forming a Black Blade is a feat of haki.

Haki is the single most important factor of swordmanship.

Shanks will obviously by default have superior CoC.

No, that's not how it works by default.

By this argument, Zoro also by default has superior COC to Mihawk.

Yeah I mean zoro show cased physical strength growth in FMI and didn't use Haki

His 1080 Pound Cannon against Pica as well didn't have haki.

As Broom told us, whether your slash flies depends on your physical strength.

 

[ThatMojaveCourier06]

Haki is in fact more important to swordsmanship than physical strength or skill:

• Zoro's only flashback with Mihawk was about learning Busoshoku haki.
• Zoro's training and growth in Wano was all about mastering his haki.
• Forming a Black Blade is a feat of haki.

Haki is the single most important factor of swordmanship.

It isn't, having great haki doesn't replace great swordsmanship technique or physical strength. There are great swordsman in OP that don't have a black blade like Roger and Shanks.

No, that's not how it works by default.

By this argument, Zoro also by default has superior COC to Mihawk.

That actually is how default works. As you stated, Zoro has superior CoC until Mihawk proves otherwise (meaning until he showcases his CoC). Arguing the contrary - until Mihawks CoC reveal - is simply stating imaginary head canon.

 

[mly90]

How hype would it be to see mihawk in action the next few chapters? I wanna see some black lightning and sky splitting.

This is Oda we are dealing with don't get your hopes up too much he only allows his self insert to flex his powers

 

[SakazOuki]

It isn't, having great haki doesn't replace great swordsmanship technique or physical strength.

You can't convince me that Wano Asura isn't the same move as enies lobby. Zoro basically lunges forward with his full might using these nine swords, the strength behind the attack totally depends on haki.

 

[Cinera]

There are great swordsman in OP that don't have a black blade like Roger and Shanks.

That's because their haki isn't as great as that of Mihawk and Ryuma.

It isn't, having great haki doesn't replace great swordsmanship technique or physical strength.

No, you are simply wrong on this. Swordsmanship is all about haki.

That actually is how default works. As you stated, Zoro has superior CoC until Mihawk proves otherwise (meaning until he showcases his CoC).

No, this is not how it works.

Thinking that Zoro's COC is superior to Mihawk is dumb.

 

[ThatMojaveCourier06]

You can't convince me that Wano Asura isn't the same move as enies lobby. Zoro basically lunges forward with his full might using these nine swords, the strength behind the attack totally depends on haki.

So you're saying he didn't improve the technique of Asura, and he's using the same physical strength he had in Ennies lobby to execute that attack against Kaido?

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That's because their haki isn't as great as that of Mihawk and Ryuma.

Proof?

No, you are simply wrong on this. Swordsmanship is all about haki.

So, if Luffy started using a sword, would he automatically be one of the best swordsman in the world since his haki is some of the best we've seen in the series? After all, swordsmanship is completely dependent on haki, right?

No, this is not how it works.

Thinking that Zoro's COC is superior to Mihawk is dumb.

Nice argument. Very solid, irrefutable evidence.

 

[SakazOuki]

So you're saying he didn't improve the technique of Asura, and he's using the same physical strength he had in Ennies lobby to execute that attack against Kaido?

Enhanced technique & physical strength + no haki = Kaido doesn't even notice he was attacked
Same technique & strength as enies lobby + haki = Kaido scarred, although to less effect
That's the only possible way to interpret how these factors contribute to the mix

 

[ThatMojaveCourier06]

Enhanced technique & physical strength + no haki = Kaido doesn't even notice he was attacked
Same technique & strength as enies lobby + haki = Kaido scarred, although to less effect
That's the only possible way to interpret how these factors contribute to the mix

While haki was required to be able to pierce Kaido's scales, physical strength is still absolutely necessary. Luffy for example, could physically harm kaido in base form with ACOC and ACOA, despite his overall AP being greater with G4 even without any advanced haki. However, pair the two together (physical strength and haki) and Luffy was able to affect Kaido with his G4 AP, because his advanced haki was able to bypass Kaido's scales. Although Luffy isn't a swordsman, the example still applies to Zoro. Zoro wasn't able to cut Mr. 1 because he wasn't able to cut through steel, not because he was lacking in strength but because he was lacking in swordsmanship skill ( I also consider haki apart of skill). Haki will allow Zoro to cut more effectively, but physical strength and swordsmanship technique are required to maximize Zoro's cutting ability.