Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1059 Spoilers Discussion
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I think Roger edging out is the more reasonable take, since Roger was the leader, put the world to heel with power according to Kaido and started the great era of piracy. With the narrator saying that Whitebeard (world's strongest man) being the equal of "even" Roger (so Roger was the benchmark for the world's strongest, and keep in mind Roger was deadly sick in the end).
As for whether Ryuma can or cannot beat Roger, I think Roger is stronger, but the gap shall be small. I also see Roger as slightly above Mihawk and Kaido. While Mihawk has a black blade, Roger's Haoshoku was probably as peaked out as it gets, and we know swordsmen can boost their slashes with Haoshoku. After all, it's still up in the air whether Aramaki has a black blade, he might have, which is an incredible feat but doesn't put you into the PK area.
As for whether Ryuma can or cannot beat Roger, I think Roger is stronger, but the gap shall be small. I also see Roger as slightly above Mihawk and Kaido. While Mihawk has a black blade, Roger's Haoshoku was probably as peaked out as it gets, and we know swordsmen can boost their slashes with Haoshoku. After all, it's still up in the air whether Aramaki has a black blade, he might have, which is an incredible feat but doesn't put you into the PK area.
Think its pretty much obvious at this point Rocks main place in the plot is related to events in God Valley that we are yet to know more about.
The introduction of Imu and Rocks in the story was close and after we discover that Rocks wanted to take Imu place as King of the Wolrd and have connection to "taboo knowladge", its a way to most likely confirm that Rocks knew about Imu, and pehaps even have some connection to him.
There's also two other plots that came from the God Valley:
1-Garp connection with the Celestials: Sengoku points that he protected the Celestial and their slaves there, think thats a hint on this connection, with the reason for he to protect them being more than just duty. With pehaps Dragon mom being a celestial, or most likely a slave of the Celestials and that was sacrificed by them in God Valley, that could be the trigger for Dragon to want to destroy the Celestials, as he would be 17 at the time.
2-Shanks past: Its hinted that Shanks was taken by the Roger Pirates as a baby, the film Red even hint on he being taken in God Valley and in his talk with WB, Newgate say that looking to Shanks face made the scars he got from "him" ache, at the time seems kind random, and mostly think he was talking about Roger, but today seems he was talking about Xebec and how Shanks look like his former captain, most likely because of the Red hair, that Xebec seems to have, at least in the anime. What would make Shanks real name Rocks D. Shanks.
I personally dont think Rocks will come back to the story as a living characteres, but his Will clearly still live and influece pirates like Teach, and to me thats will be his great "contribuition" to the plot.
The introduction of Imu and Rocks in the story was close and after we discover that Rocks wanted to take Imu place as King of the Wolrd and have connection to "taboo knowladge", its a way to most likely confirm that Rocks knew about Imu, and pehaps even have some connection to him.
There's also two other plots that came from the God Valley:
1-Garp connection with the Celestials: Sengoku points that he protected the Celestial and their slaves there, think thats a hint on this connection, with the reason for he to protect them being more than just duty. With pehaps Dragon mom being a celestial, or most likely a slave of the Celestials and that was sacrificed by them in God Valley, that could be the trigger for Dragon to want to destroy the Celestials, as he would be 17 at the time.
2-Shanks past: Its hinted that Shanks was taken by the Roger Pirates as a baby, the film Red even hint on he being taken in God Valley and in his talk with WB, Newgate say that looking to Shanks face made the scars he got from "him" ache, at the time seems kind random, and mostly think he was talking about Roger, but today seems he was talking about Xebec and how Shanks look like his former captain, most likely because of the Red hair, that Xebec seems to have, at least in the anime. What would make Shanks real name Rocks D. Shanks.
I personally dont think Rocks will come back to the story as a living characteres, but his Will clearly still live and influece pirates like Teach, and to me thats will be his great "contribuition" to the plot.
Mihawk should push Roger to extreme diff. When Zoro beats Mihawk, it will probably be high diff at most. The gap between Zoro and Mihawk will be more evident. But since Ryuma lived centuries ago in a distant era and is only really known by lore, while also being Zoro's relative, I don't think there has to be a competition kept alive between them anyways. Him being Ryuma's descendant will automatically put him above his ancestor EOS.
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