Character Discussion This chapter shows the difference between a vice captain and the other underlings

mrtsrdr

mrtsrdr

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Shanal said:
Vivi is strong enough for them to trust her and not march into Mariejoes randomly w/o even knowing where she is or if she's even in trouble, yes.

The careless retard is the one who wants to march into HQ for no reason and die when Vivi might not even need their help.
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if zoro said lets go , you will declare what a man . bravest person in crew . we know that kind of shit retard moment.
dont you know your favorite characters tendency ? are u sure about reading him ?

we know that what he said about strawhats in critical moments . vivi was the weakest person in reverie after sabos brother .d.d
 
Shanal

Shanal

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mrtsrdr said:
if zoro said lets go , you will declare what a man . bravest person in crew . we know that kind of shit retard moment.
dont you know your favorite characters tendency ? are u sure about reading him ?

we know that what he said about strawhats in critical moments . vivi was the weakest person in reverie after sabos brother .d.d
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No, he'd be retarded if he said let's go. I know when to criticize Zoro. He was dumb in bringing up Ace's example when trying to ease them about Vivi. Idek how it worked.

But other than that, his logic and reasoning was right. He stopped them from marching to a certain death.

You're reflecting if you think everyone just goes with whatever their favorite says. Only you're doing that, trying to pretend marching into Mariejoes for NO reason, without even knowing where Vivi is, is smart.
 
mrtsrdr

mrtsrdr

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Shanal said:
No, he'd be retarded if he said let's go. I know when to criticize Zoro. He was dumb in bringing up Ace's example when trying to ease them about Vivi. Idek how it worked.

But other than that, his logic and reasoning was right. He stopped them from marching to a certain death.

You're reflecting if you think everyone just goes with whatever their favorite says. Only you're doing that, trying to pretend marching into Mariejoes for NO reason, without even knowing where Vivi is, is smart.
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have u ever seen lufys logical move till today ? you think going wci with 5 people is sense ? declaring war against two yonkou at same time is sense ? yes , zoro can be right at conclusion part . but reason is funny . vivi always seen nakama by strawhats. and zoro left his nakama third time. this is not suprise :)
 
Shanal

Shanal

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mrtsrdr said:
have u ever seen lufys logical move till today ? you think going wci with 5 people is sense ? declaring war against two yonkou at same time is sense ? yes , zoro can be right at conclusion part . but reason is funny . vivi always seen nakama by strawhats. and zoro left his nakama third time. this is not suprise :)
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Zoro doesn't really leave Nakama in need. He just actually makes sure they need help before committing with huge risk.

It was same for Robin, he wasn't afraid of taking on entire EL.

With Sanji, to him, Sanji left for marriage on his own accord and left them a letter saying not to worry and whatnot. Sure, they'd lose Sanji as a crewmmate, but Sanji's safety didn't look compromised. Zoro just trusted him.

With Nami in Arlong Park, again, it was her leaving them on her own accord and that's all he knew. But once he learned that Nami is lying to herself (pond scene), he committed.

You can criticize Zoro for being cautious and not overly trustful, but not for leaving Nakama in need behind. Once he's certain they need help, he'll do all he can to save them.

Here, they didn't even know where the fuck Vivi was or if she even needed help for sure. Marching into Mariejoes is retarded.
 
mrtsrdr

mrtsrdr

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Shanal said:
Zoro doesn't really leave Nakama in need. He just actually makes sure they need help before committing with huge risk.

It was same for Robin, he wasn't afraid of taking on entire EL.

With Sanji, to him, Sanji left for marriage on his own accord and left them a letter saying not to worry and whatnot. Sure, they'd lose Sanji as a crewmmate, but Sanji's safety didn't look compromised. Zoro just trusted him.

With Nami in Arlong Park, again, it was her leaving them on her own accord and that's all he knew. But once he learned that Nami is lying to herself (pond scene), he committed.

You can criticize Zoro for being cautious and not overly trustful, but not for leaving Nakama in need behind. Once he's certain they need help, he'll do all he can to save them.

Here, they didn't even know where the fuck Vivi was or if she even needed help for sure. Marching into Mariejoes is retarded.
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Zoro needs proof to protect his nakama . this is ridiculous. In every case , luffy or sanji just believe his nakama . Zoro just want to see proof for everyone . Nakama things does not work like what zoro think my friend.
 
Shanal

Shanal

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mrtsrdr said:
Zoro needs proof to protect his nakama . this is ridiculous. In every case , luffy or sanji just believe his nakama . Zoro just want to see proof for everyone . Nakama things does not work like what zoro think my friend.
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Yeah, Zoro is realistic and operates more on logical basis rather than how 10 years old Shonen characters do.

He wouldn't risk everyone's life over some girl they met a week or two ago (Nami) when they have 0 reason to know she needs help.

He wouldn't risk everyone's life over some woman who is known backstabber until he knows she means well.

He wouldn't march into Mariejoes for no reason w/o knowing Vivi needs help or even is there. They might walk and die and leave Vivi in even worse position with less allies.

He trusts his crewmmates if he has known them for long, though. He trusts Sanji enough to make his decisions, and he had no way of knowing Sanji was in danger, either.
 
mrtsrdr

mrtsrdr

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Shanal said:
Yeah, Zoro is realistic and operates more on logical basis rather than how 10 years old Shonen characters do.

He wouldn't risk everyone's life over some girl they met a week or two ago (Nami) when they have 0 reason to know she needs help.

He wouldn't risk everyone's life over some woman who is known backstabber until he knows she means well.

He wouldn't march into Mariejoes for no reason w/o knowing Vivi needs help or even is there. They might walk and die and leave Vivi in even worse position with less allies.

He trusts his crewmmates if he has known them for long, though. He trusts Sanji enough to make his decisions, and he had no way of knowing Sanji was in danger, either.
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This is not related to 10 years old shonen manga thing . This is how peoples perspective shape depend on situation . Luffy chose to believe nami and sanji . Zoro did not under same circumstances . And this is how you are and how i am i guess . No problem . If luffy chose zoros way , nami robin sanji would dead .
 
Kurozumi Wiwi

Kurozumi Wiwi

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ConquistadoR said:
Agreed.
Even if he does not have the title officially, his presence and standing in the crew is clear as crystal, this chapter merely reiterated what was obvious for ~1060 chapters.
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He will never have the title officially because official hierarchy just wouldn't fit the crew, as it would start putting different value to straw hats (this one is more important than X) and Oda doesn't aim for that.
This is why he made all of the 9 straw hats Luffy's commanders.
But it's clear Zoro is the pseudo vice-captain/first mate. We all know the agenda those who deny it have.
Peroroncino said:
People talking crap about zoro mentioning ace need to remember that Luffy agreed with him on that.
He made that face cause he knew zoro was right.
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Funnily Luffy actually managed to save Ace. It's Ace who got himself killed
 
ConquistadoR

ConquistadoR

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Kurozumi Wiwi said:
He will never have the title officially because official hierarchy just wouldn't fit the crew, as it would start putting different value to straw hats (this one is more important than X) and Oda doesn't aim for that.
This is why he made all of the 9 straw hats Luffy's commanders.
But it's clear Zoro is the pseudo vice-captain/first mate. We all know the agenda those who deny it have.

Funnily Luffy actually managed to save Ace. It's Ace who got himself killed
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Yep.
Imagine reading Water 7, Post Enies Lobby & Thriller Bark and still argue that Zoro is not the unofficial Vice Captain presence in the crew lmao.
One needs to be agenda driven & braindead at the same time to do that.
 
rerere

rerere

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I really liked Zoro in this chapter, he behaved like a true VC.
Gave me some Killer vibes, even tho Zoro is harsher in his way of carrying the role.

Edit.
Now that I think about it, Killer has a couple of moments in which he drops the reasonable attitude and takes the matter with a more resolute and undemocratic approach.
See when he gave orders to KP during the confrontation with Hawkins, for example.
"Shut up and do what you're told!"
 
yorosenpai

yorosenpai

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rerere said:
I really liked Zoro in this chapter, he behaved like a true VC.
Gave me some Killer vibes, even tho Zoro is harsher in his way of carrying the role.

Edit.
Now that I think about it, Killer has a couple of moments in which he drops the reasonable attitude and takes the matter with a more resolute and undemocratic approach.
See when he gave orders to KP during the confrontation with Hawkins, for example.
"Shut up and do what you're told!"
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Zoro gave me some Ben vibes too
 
rerere

rerere

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yorosenpai said:
Zoro gave me some Ben vibes too
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Well, VC share the same fundamental characteristics:
- Cool-headed when confronted to their captain
- Hands-on approach in leading the crew
- Stoic, sometimes cold-hearted, behavior
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They're not all the same tho, for example you could say Killer is much cooler than Zoro, who's more hot-headed.
They share the same core personality, no doubt, but I see some differences becoming more evident with the growth of age, which is why is easier for me to associate Zoro with Killer rather than Beckman.
 
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