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Pacing, every episode a character goes through a traumatic event and doesn’t change. Likewise the entire show has one plot line that doesn’t advance, so we’re watching the same song and dance until the season finale.
future seasons should be better but it reminds me a lot of got season 6/7, which I felt were very bad seasons.
future seasons should be better but it reminds me a lot of got season 6/7, which I felt were very bad seasons.
Smoker wouldn't be entrusted to safeguard the royalty to the Reverie (actually he probably would be, but he's a an actual Base Captain unlike Koby and as a character operates outside of the main marine apparatus; his one ally at HQ being Aokiji (Smoker being third in the lineage from Garp) and that's no more, also story-wise he was literally with VEGAPUNK you bellend/Koby having literally no already established future plot threads needed to be re-introduced and actually given something, unlike Smoker who's something was always known to anyone with a brain/we're actually getting to now without being a pre-mature reveal by Oda)- not because he's less respected or valued, but because this character archetype is the cowboy cop that operates outside of the law/afoul of his authorities to seek their own justice.
His reputation which you eternally refuse to acknowledge is the "Mad Dog" of the Navy and was known to Crocodile, repeated by Vergo who respected Smoker's canonical intelligence, and the underworld brokers who called him impressive next to Law/Luffy, three people who were framed together repeatedly in PH.
And then there's him being "White Chase" and the fear he was spoken of by enemies/pirates post-timeskip.
Smoker can be more experienced as he's been a Marine for I don't know, decades and from when we first met him in Loguetown was displaying military/strategic tactics and by Alabasta asserting his authority to summon ships and other actions only a veteran of his sort would consider.
You can't dismiss their ages/positions and how long they've been active and their on page feats. The reason you're so insufferable is you participate in debates that compare Koby to Smoker; yet you never ever offer any solid justification as to why Oda'd drop, invalidate, downplay, or whatever other term, the most recurring marine officer in the story.
You never give any actual analysis of Koby of substance, just point out possible parallels or apparent parallels without diving into what makes them parallels beyond some grade school tier "it rhymes" type analysis.
Also fuck any Koby fan that harps on "failure" when he's the last character that should be used for accolade based flexing rather than appreciation of the content of his chatacter; how about you address the context of his failures and what they could mean "narratively" since you love throwing that word around without actually touching on it.
Is it bad that Smoker went to his hometown and prevented the ascent of pirates?
Where he needed to be placed in the story and what's actually a practical/valid choice of his?
Oh- and Smoker wasn't higher in rank because by word of Oda and not your Koby-centric worldview, because he was only kept in the ranks due to Hina's advocacy because as we know, Smoker isn't a boyscout like Koby and always broke the rules/challenged authority (not that challenging authority isn't an integral part of Koby's character too).
Go read Chapter 98; Smoker is literally identifies as a Marine HQ captain.
For one Oda wouldn't have had Boa one shot a near featless and newbie Marine as a hype tool unlike Smoker who actually displayed his ability in combat across PH; and two, once again CONTEXT.
In context that scene was Smoker showing his strength and rolling the dice for Law/Luffy over Doffy even while faced with the spectre of death.
In context it was a way for Kuzan to be reintroduced and you can keep wacking off to Koby and writing fanfic about him and Kuzan but not only did his rescue of Smoker parallel Dragon's rescue of Luffy but it served as setup for the plotline finally becoming prominent and for SMOKER's character (Kuzan's dialogue nearly word for word mirroring Law's words to Smoker during their fight, bookending his arc and hinting at his future) and the furthering of his long threaded friendship with Kuzan since Long Ring Long Land.
You cannot keep dismissing everything Smoker's connected to and trying to pile every single future marine plotthread onto a single character, it's idiotic.
That's literally not what Luffy told Koby post-Enies Lobby and will you EVER address the concern Luffy showed for Smoker on PH or his promise to fight at their full strength/clear interest in their rivalry or his statement of actually liking him back in Alabasta?
I doubt you will, but I'll hope on a miracle.
And story wise, once again; you do realize that Smoker wasn't out ordering Seraphims at Amazon Lily because that's not his plotline and there's no reason use that as a knock on him or assume he as a higher ranking officer wouldn't have the same authority.
In fact, Smoker was actually with Vegapunk himself and carrying the plotline of gigantifacation along with Tashigi.
How about you address that we've yet to see Smoker in canon after Dressrosa after he was enroute to the most mysterious figure in the series next to Imu himself and likely has a greater connection fo Vegapunk tech and the Seraphims than Koby ever could.
His reputation which you eternally refuse to acknowledge is the "Mad Dog" of the Navy and was known to Crocodile, repeated by Vergo who respected Smoker's canonical intelligence, and the underworld brokers who called him impressive next to Law/Luffy, three people who were framed together repeatedly in PH.
And then there's him being "White Chase" and the fear he was spoken of by enemies/pirates post-timeskip.
Smoker can be more experienced as he's been a Marine for I don't know, decades and from when we first met him in Loguetown was displaying military/strategic tactics and by Alabasta asserting his authority to summon ships and other actions only a veteran of his sort would consider.
You can't dismiss their ages/positions and how long they've been active and their on page feats. The reason you're so insufferable is you participate in debates that compare Koby to Smoker; yet you never ever offer any solid justification as to why Oda'd drop, invalidate, downplay, or whatever other term, the most recurring marine officer in the story.
You never give any actual analysis of Koby of substance, just point out possible parallels or apparent parallels without diving into what makes them parallels beyond some grade school tier "it rhymes" type analysis.
Also fuck any Koby fan that harps on "failure" when he's the last character that should be used for accolade based flexing rather than appreciation of the content of his chatacter; how about you address the context of his failures and what they could mean "narratively" since you love throwing that word around without actually touching on it.
Is it bad that Smoker went to his hometown and prevented the ascent of pirates?
Where he needed to be placed in the story and what's actually a practical/valid choice of his?
Oh- and Smoker wasn't higher in rank because by word of Oda and not your Koby-centric worldview, because he was only kept in the ranks due to Hina's advocacy because as we know, Smoker isn't a boyscout like Koby and always broke the rules/challenged authority (not that challenging authority isn't an integral part of Koby's character too).
Go read Chapter 98; Smoker is literally identifies as a Marine HQ captain.
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For one Oda wouldn't have had Boa one shot a near featless and newbie Marine as a hype tool unlike Smoker who actually displayed his ability in combat across PH; and two, once again CONTEXT.
In context that scene was Smoker showing his strength and rolling the dice for Law/Luffy over Doffy even while faced with the spectre of death.
In context it was a way for Kuzan to be reintroduced and you can keep wacking off to Koby and writing fanfic about him and Kuzan but not only did his rescue of Smoker parallel Dragon's rescue of Luffy but it served as setup for the plotline finally becoming prominent and for SMOKER's character (Kuzan's dialogue nearly word for word mirroring Law's words to Smoker during their fight, bookending his arc and hinting at his future) and the furthering of his long threaded friendship with Kuzan since Long Ring Long Land.
You cannot keep dismissing everything Smoker's connected to and trying to pile every single future marine plotthread onto a single character, it's idiotic.
That's literally not what Luffy told Koby post-Enies Lobby and will you EVER address the concern Luffy showed for Smoker on PH or his promise to fight at their full strength/clear interest in their rivalry or his statement of actually liking him back in Alabasta?
I doubt you will, but I'll hope on a miracle.
And story wise, once again; you do realize that Smoker wasn't out ordering Seraphims at Amazon Lily because that's not his plotline and there's no reason use that as a knock on him or assume he as a higher ranking officer wouldn't have the same authority.
In fact, Smoker was actually with Vegapunk himself and carrying the plotline of gigantifacation along with Tashigi.
How about you address that we've yet to see Smoker in canon after Dressrosa after he was enroute to the most mysterious figure in the series next to Imu himself and likely has a greater connection fo Vegapunk tech and the Seraphims than Koby ever could.
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As a Koby fan since chapter two (number one, now tied with my profile pic) I tried to warn them, I saw Amazon Lily in the tea leaves; yet they still won't see reason.
The worst sect of the Koby fandom serially set him up and they're a death cullt; which I've been saying for awhile now.
And the worst thing is 99.9% of the shit they say isn't it all like Koby actually is.
Edit: Just accept you like a pink pacifist conscientious objector type beat character who's arc will never revolve around being a powerhouse of any sort.
The worst sect of the Koby fandom serially set him up and they're a death cullt; which I've been saying for awhile now.
And the worst thing is 99.9% of the shit they say isn't it all like Koby actually is.
Edit: Just accept you like a pink pacifist conscientious objector type beat character who's arc will never revolve around being a powerhouse of any sort.
It all comes from unrealistic expectations, yes. And Koby isn't the only one whose fandom does that, but he is one where these unrealistic expectations are most blatant.
Koby is talented, is trained by a legend like Garp and is steadily rising. But him reaching the tippity top by the end of the story is just not feasible.
Koby is talented, is trained by a legend like Garp and is steadily rising. But him reaching the tippity top by the end of the story is just not feasible.
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