Versus Battle Kanki Runs A Qin 6 Gauntlet

[Elder Lee Hung]

Okay so really this is not a typical gauntlet, more like “how does Kanki fair against the rest of the Qin 6,” lol.

Kanki is a natural genius and a prodigy at warfare, he has produced some of the best victories for Qin that we have seen.

In the Coalition War, he masterminded the death of Han Great General Seikai despite the fact that he was supposed to be stationed atop Kankoku Pass.

At KokuYou Hills, he defeated a Zhao Army lead by Kisui and Keisha (a 3 Great Heavens hopeful), and he did so with far less casualties than Shouheikun predicted.

Most impressively, he defeated a Great General Kochou army of 240,000 men with just 80,000 of his own, masterminded Kochou’s death, and executed 100,000 Zhao prisoners.

Currently, he has prolonged his battle with Riboku himself to last into the night and is making big moves against the Zhao even with a 3:1 numerical disadvantage.

Kanki is one of the most unconventional and terrifying commanders in China. This begs the question: How does Kanki fair against his fellow Qin 6 members?

Kanki vs Yotanwa?
Kanki vs Ousen?
Kanki vs Tou?
Kanki vs Moubu?

And for a bonus round: Kanki vs Shouheikun?

Let’s say all commanders have 100,000 troops of their own armies, and all of their usual subordinates and commanders.

Is Kanki the weakest of the Qin 6? Is he the secret strongest? Or is he right in the middle? Share your thoughts :)

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[SakazOuki]

@Fleet Admiral Lee Hung

What do the generals know about each other in general? (aside from Ousen and Kanki ofc)

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

@Fleet Admiral Lee Hung

What do the generals know about each other in general? (aside from Ousen and Kanki ofc)

Same as their in-manga knowledge currently.

 

[Jailer]

I don't think there's a weakest Qin 6, they should be pretty evenly matched overall with their own forte that got them to those ranks.

Things like terrain matter too. His army while not overall strongest with the exception of Shuma/Zeno clan (shown so far at least), he got his unconventional style of warfare.

Need more thinking.

 

[SakazOuki]

Kanki vs Yotanwa - I'll give this to tanwa. Kanki's main strategy of striking fear won't work here. Mountain people easily have the highest morale so Kanki will have a hard time dealing with that.

Kanki vs Ousen - They know each other pretty well. Ousen will use this knowledge better than Kanki imo. This is by far the most interesting battle

Kanki vs Tou - Kanki outsmarts Tou. I see Tou as a classical general, he won't be able to adapt to Kanki's methods.

Kanki vs Moubu - Zenou vs Moubu? Depends on terrain to be honest, on a plain field Kanki gets crushed. If the terrain is unstable with forests/ mountains I believe Kanki has a chance, but Moubu is a miracle maker I don't know how he can be stopped.

Kanki vs Shouheikun - although I believe SHK beats all the other generals, Kanki would be his toughest opponent. I'd say Kanki wins more than not.

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Edit: Ousen can beat SHK 50/50

 

[Bepo]

Very difficult to speculate on imo, Kingdom (like other battle series) tends to have battles where characters are suitable counters to one another, in some instances characters even resemble each other (Shin vs Gyou'Un, Yotanwa/Mountain tribes vs Quanrong, Ouhon vs Earl Shi, etc.). I think no one other than Moubu would have been capable of defeating Kanmei in the way it was done during the coalition, but the same could be said for the scenario's in which Kanki defeated his opponnents, no one (other than Kanki) would have been able to drive Keisha and Kisui in a dire corner or defeat Kouchou in the way it was done.
I geuss we'll have to wait and see what happens in the current arc and see how he deals with Riboku's army so we can compare his performance to Ousen at the Shukai plains, though I do expect Kanki's army to take out some Zhao generals even if they'll be defeated.

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

Kanki vs Yotanwa?

I would give this to Yotanwa on most battlefields, but her armies would probably take heavy casualties. Like others have mentioned, Kanki's fear tactics won't work that well against the mountain tribes

Kanki vs Ousen?

Ousen. His army is stronger, he's a better tactician and I think he'll best use his knowledge of Kanki against him.

Kanki vs Tou?

Hard to say. Tou hits hard, is very smart and is a great leader but Kanki is a genius. Favor Tou on most normal battlefields, favor Kanki in areas where he can best use guerilla warfare. I can see Rokoumi and a few other of Tou's subordinates falling for Kanki's tricks and bait, and I can see Kanki taking advantage of that to systematically chip away at Tou's army.

Kanki vs Moubu?

In direct combat, Moubu absolutely destroys the Kanki army. In an area like Kouyoku Forest perhaps Kanki could win, idk Moubu's fucking terrifying.

Kanki's best bet would to assassinate Moubu in his sleep or something lol, but that would probably lead to a shit ton of enraged Moubu soldiers going on suicidal charge attacks. If Kanki wins, it will come at a ridiculously high cost while if Moubu wins, he won't lose that much.

For Kanki vs Shouheikun, I would favor Shouheikun just because I feel like his level of hype exceeds Kanki. Will need to see more from him to see if SHK has any strengths/weaknesses that could make him win easier/lose.

 

[Big Boiii]

- Taking Tou, Ousen over him in all scenarios and locations
- Taking Yotanwa over him if it's a mountainous location, however, in the plains taking Kanki for now. This isn't related to Yotanwa being an inferior general overall, but simply due to the fact she's the least experience in the warfare of the plains.
- In a simple terrain where Moubu can utilize his martial might I'd take him over Kanki. However, in complex terrains like lets say Sanyou, I'd take Kanki over him. Though my pick on this is related to not knowing how well Mouki would be able to keep up strategically and having next to no info on his main commanders and their capabilities.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Need the location for the match ups. Is this about just taking the dub by making the army surrender/retreat? Or dub by killing the commander?

Dub by any means possible.

And I left the location vague so people can speculate on how various terrains effect the matchup.

 

[Big Boiii]

Is Kanki the weakest of the Qin 6? Is he the secret strongest? Or is he right in the middle? Share your thoughts :)

In terms of overall capabilities as a general, he's the weakest in my opinion. I mean by all means Yotanwa could be more effective in a plains field than Kanki, but I don't give her the nod until she shows a great feat on the plains like Kanki has done multiple times now. But this is just cause of the sheer fact Yotanwa spent VAST majority of her life fighting in the mountains instead of the plains, where I think she'd wipe any general out. If going by stats she in terms of strategical talent is right up there with that boy Kanki (both making same progress from 95->96 after WZI).

But then the more I think about it, the more I feel that Yotanwa would simply suffer bigger losses but could take out Kanki even on the plains. She's the better leader (by far, her damn army boost is fucking insane), better martially (I want to say by far, but don't know Kanki's full capabilities), strategically on par in terms of raw talent as mentioned above, more experienced in warfare than Kanki, has better weight of a general, has the whole "unification dream/peace for my people" pushing her something Kanki lacks. So a whole package Yotanwa is just flat out better.

Moubu, by far better martial might, has that SHK boost, should have better weight of a general, his army boost is god damn insane should be able to break through majority of Kanki's strategies, has Mouki to cover any huge strategical flaws in him. But terrain issue is the case for me here, have yet to see him in complex terrains, you know what I mean right? I want to see how he commands an army in a terrain where his army can't just bulldoze the opposite.


So all of the other 4 over Kanki, with some caveat related to YTW & Moubu.

Dub by any means possible.

And I left the location vague so people can speculate on how various terrains effect the matchup.

Oh ok got it, thanks for the clarification bruv. Updated post should reflect that then.

 

[Dragomir]

In any plain fields, open terrain battle, I give the edge to all the other generals. Don't read the next sentence if you're not caught up. As told in the recent chapter, by Riboku, Kanki's weakness is that he doesn't know any conventional strategies and tactics. Maybe, he can pull off something at night, we'll have to see as the battle develops.

However, in any weird terrain, Kanki should almost always come out on top. The only exception would be Yotanwa since she and her mountain tribe army should be pretty accustomed to weird terrain themselves, but the others, they get beat. Weird terrain is where Kanki is at his absolute best. Kanki in weird terrain using unconventional tactics is like Steph Curry shooting a three. It's his bread and butter. The other generals aren't very experienced in such an environment as Kanki is (bar maybe Yotanwa) and they definitely do not have the guerrilla warfare package that Kanki has. With perfectly sized armies, Kanki will always win against them in a guerrilla warfare environment. In terms of difficulty, I would say he extreme diffs Yotanwa, high-extreme diffs Ousen, high diffs Tou, mid diffs Moubu, and mid-high diffs Shouheikun.

Kanki vs Ousen - They know each other pretty well. Ousen will use this knowledge better than Kanki imo. This is by far the most interesting battle

Ousen. His army is stronger, he's a better tactician and I think he'll best use his knowledge of Kanki against him.

I have to ask, why do y'all believe this? In an open terrain environment, I would agree. But in guerrilla warfare type of terrain, Kanki will be able to better use his knowledge against Ousen than vice versa. I believe that because of his Sun Bin tactic against Kochou. Ousen stated that even he would never go as far as that, calling Kanki insane. Presuming that Kanki knows the limits of Ousen's sanity levels, then Kanki has a big advantage in being able to use the craziest, wildest, absolutely batshit insane tactics he can think of while Ousen on the other hand would not be willing to go as far.

Ousen has an advantage over the generals in knowing Kanki well enough that he won't be totally caught off-guard by Kanki's tactics and can somewhat counter them, but he loses nonetheless.

There isn't any real "weakest" Q6. It all mostly depends on the match-up against the opposing general and the terrain involved. Who is most suited for the circumstances involved. They're all relatively on par with each other.

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Actually, tbh, Kanki might still lose to Yotanwa in a guerrilla warfare terrain because even if he kills her, the mountain army will be so enraged (potentially more so than Zhao is at Kanki in the current arc) that they'll continue fighting even if you've cut off their arms and legs just through sheer willpower. Some of the Kanki might even run away out of fear. I suppose that in that case, the battle would end in a draw.

 

[Dark Admiral]

Kanki vs Yotanwa?

I feel like Kanki's warfare will be useless against the mountain people as they are as barbaric as he his, if not more. Yotanwa army is superior to his imo. Kanki loses.

Kanki vs Ousen?

Ousen and Kanki will be a draw. Ousen doesn;t picks a fight he can't win and Kanki won't dare take a baits that Ousen lays in front of him.

Kanki vs Tou?

Kanki army is superior to Tou's. Strategy wise Kanki is ahead of Tou too. Tou has yet to show his skills as a great strategist.

Kanki vs Moubu?

I can already feel strong disagreements but Moubu army might get wiped out to the last man. Moubu is someone who prefers his brute strength to do the scheming and planning whereas Kanki loves to play with his opponents minds. Kanki will lure in Moubu by feeding him his armies (making Moubu more and more caution less) only to have him fall in a trap so deep he won't have a way back. Moubu can only swing his glaive for so long when arrows and spears are flying from all fronts.

And for a bonus round: Kanki vs Shouheikun?

Kanki and SHK can go either way.

 

[God Buggy]

Imo:

- Kanki vs Yotanwa: Yotanwa and Kanki are overall comparable as GGs but, with their own armies, YTW takes it. Her army is stupidly powerful.

- Kanki vs Ousen: Hard. I think Ousen is a stronger commander than Kanki - but not by much. And Kanki's warfare is so unorthodox that Kanki's thoughts escape even Ousen himself. But even Ousen's strategies would be dangerous for Kanki, both are really capable of hurting the other. Ousen seems to have a more powerful army but Kanki has hard hitters too. I think Ousen will come out on top but yeah interesting match up.

- Kanki vs Tou: I think Tou is a slightly superior commander to Kanki overall but again, Kanki is absolutely capable of hurting him too. Maybe Kanki's army is more powerful overall? That Zenou boy is daaaangerous. Going with Kanki.

- Kanki vs Moubu: Kanki. His warfare is going to be lethal. I don't Mouki will be able to do anything with Kanki's actions either.

Note : In the scenario where this is a head on battle on the plains and Kanki hasn't got the time to utilize his waiting-for-the-night trick, he loses to all of them. As Riboku said, Kanki wasn't taught traditional warfare/strategy.

Shouheikun (bonus round): I'd have to see this hypothetical Shouheikun army but Shouheikun himself is > Kanki, overall.

 

[Xlaw]

Depends on terrain they r fighting on...with equal no of soldiers each side..
I think Yontawa take it , she is the most suitable opponent against him.

Against Ousen it will ended in settlement . They both have deep knowledge of each other's tactics..and the difference between strength of their generals is not that big .

I think he has better chance winning against Tou than any other Q6. If they r firing mountain and jungle terrain thein Kanki has upper hand

Against Moubu...I'm leaning slightly aginst Moubu. If it's plain terrain then Moubu takes this. Even in Mountain terrain it's going to be tough for Kanki to take down him...

 

[Rumble]

Kan Ki loses to all of them.

Severely to Mou Bu and Yo Tan Wa.

Slightly less severely than that to Tou.

Ou Sen still beats him, but Kan Ki can make it difficult. The longer it drags on, the more that favours Ou Sen.

Kan Ki goes of 0 for 4 in my book.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

In an open plains warfare, Kanki gets clapped by all of them. But if it's mountain terrain or forest area then I'll say:

Kanki vs Yotanwa: Kanki still loses, YTW is fully adapt at mountain and forest terrain warfare and Kanki's psychology warfare won't work against mountain folks.

Kanki vs Ousen: Ousen is superior as a general but this fight could honestly be 50/50. Both have the necessity to take each other out.

Kanki vs Tou: Kanki wins this, Tou won't be able to adapt against Kanki's unorthodox methods in mountain/forest terrains.

Kanki vs Moubu: Same reason as Tou, Moubu have the strength but he won't be able to beat Kanki's style of warfare in a mountain or forest terrain seeing how he wasn't performed really well back in Bayou.

Kanki vs Shouheikun: 50/50 like Ousen imo.

 

[Rumble]

Kanki vs Tou: Kanki wins this, Tou won't be able to adapt against Kanki's unorthodox methods in mountain/forest terrains.

Tou is the most experienced of the Six Great Generals and commands the former Ou Ki Army. He will not only see right through Kan Ki, he's not going to be susceptible to psychological warfare because the man is too disciplined in keeping his emotions in check.

Kanki vs Moubu: Same reason as Tou, Moubu have the strength but he won't be able to beat Kanki's style of warfare in a mountain or forest terrain seeing how he wasn't performed really well back in Bayou.

Mou Bu has matured and improved tremendously since Bayou. At Bayou, he was nearly outdone by Chou Sou's strategy because he foolishly kept pursuing after it became clear it was trap. He's no longer eager to rush and prove himself.

In a straight battle on an open field, Kan Ki has no chance. They improve in mountains and forests, but even then, I think it would require something like kidnapping Mou Ki from the HQ to get to Mou Bu's mentally.

While Kan Ki may be capable of luring Mou Bu somewhere, he has no actual means of containing that outrageous strength. Never mind the rest of his powerful army. The Zenou clan would easily be wiped out.

 

[Monet]

kanki will mop the floor with them .