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Again cap. Not one example of someone decades older than someone being that persons rival in this series. It does not happen.
Shanks is not decades older than mihawk.
Garp whitebeard sengoku and rodger are not decades older than the other.
Kaido bigmom are not decades older than each other.
It's actual retardation at this point to even suggest that Smoker is luffys garp. That is fundamentally stupid. Even if you disagree that coby is luffys garp, to believe that it's Smoker is dumb. The story doesn't suggest it. Smoker doesn't have the clout even on paper. He is in the era that Shanks is in based on age. People here really are excited about someone being the age of Shanks being luffys rival?.
Smoker was not hq captain pretimeskip lol. Find the info that says he is. I will wait.
Smoker's rank is cool yet the world government dtecides that a mer hq captain with the title of hero is better suited to guide and protect royals to and from the holy land. While smoker was given his position to deal with Hooligans.
Infact what makes your point even worse is fujitora in dresseosa. Smoker heard about what fuji did and stated that he (smoker) wouldn't have the balls to do what fuji did even if he had fuji rank. What fuji did was literally akin to what pretimeskip coby did which was call bullshit on a grand scale to what the Marines were doing. Smoker's words
Words of smoker. Praising luffy while equally saying that even if he had fuji rank he wouldn't be bold enough to do what fuji did which is something pretimeski coby did and you still think smoker is being built up as luffys garp lol
Shanks is not decades older than mihawk.
Garp whitebeard sengoku and rodger are not decades older than the other.
Kaido bigmom are not decades older than each other.
It's actual retardation at this point to even suggest that Smoker is luffys garp. That is fundamentally stupid. Even if you disagree that coby is luffys garp, to believe that it's Smoker is dumb. The story doesn't suggest it. Smoker doesn't have the clout even on paper. He is in the era that Shanks is in based on age. People here really are excited about someone being the age of Shanks being luffys rival?.
Smoker was not hq captain pretimeskip lol. Find the info that says he is. I will wait.
Smoker's rank is cool yet the world government dtecides that a mer hq captain with the title of hero is better suited to guide and protect royals to and from the holy land. While smoker was given his position to deal with Hooligans.
Infact what makes your point even worse is fujitora in dresseosa. Smoker heard about what fuji did and stated that he (smoker) wouldn't have the balls to do what fuji did even if he had fuji rank. What fuji did was literally akin to what pretimeskip coby did which was call bullshit on a grand scale to what the Marines were doing. Smoker's words
Words of smoker. Praising luffy while equally saying that even if he had fuji rank he wouldn't be bold enough to do what fuji did which is something pretimeski coby did and you still think smoker is being built up as luffys garp lol
I've never said anything as basic as calling a character someone's "Garp" because "Garp" isn't a title.
That's not how parallels work.
Like an adult, I say "Smoker and Koby both parallel Garp-" but in different ways; one such way being the mirrored dynamic of Smoker and Luffy to Roger and Garp, and then I say why.
I've also never called Luffy and Smoker "rivals," but they kinda are to a point; and even then that's not the thrust of the dynamic mirroring G/R's.
What's fundamentally stupid is the way you dismiss or can't even see the individual similarities between Garp and Smoker and the way you force nonexistent one's onto Koby and Koby/Luffy, while actually believing Oda will make your headcanon a reality 1000+ chapter's into the story.
And on the clout.
Smoker has enough clout for Sengoku to grant him helming the main aggressive marine force in the NW, that Zephyr came from and was considered the most valuable place for a mole by Doflamingo; he has enough clout for his name to have reached Crocodile pre-timeskip, to have been considered meddlesome/a threat by Vergo/Caeser, to be feared by NW pirates and be called "impressive" by the broker, amongst things.
Literally has two epithets and you say he isn't known/has non-existent clout.
Then you got and say he isn't Marine HQ when it's kinda implicit given where he was trained and his position in the ranks, that once again you refuse to admit isn't as high as could be based on rubbing against authority.
But look here:
An elite of the navy as asked for; only now he isn't Marine HQ; similarly to Vergo.
Because he's G-5; an incredibly important position/military force in the NW but you can't see it as I already listed some of what makes it so and it didn't seem to sink in.
And ah- sorry; while Koby was rescuing a princess (who we later saw screaming about torturing citizens) Smoker was taking giant children to meet with the most mysterious man next to Imu in Vegapunk; carrying the plot thread of gigantification and probably having closer ties to him than whatever that hell your super suit obsession is.
And i'm sorry; what negative am I supposed to see negatively in Smoker showing humility and or acknowledging his character flaw of pride????
In him and his struggle (as well as Tashigi's) influencing an admiral (with much less attachment to the Navy as apart of his identity)?
I LOVE that line and every time I see people like you trot it out i'm mystified at the level of basic being displayed, especially from a supposed "fan" of Koby who's entire existence is counter-to most of what you say.
Oh and btw; Smoker already had his (first) defiant triumph at Alabasta's end and lol at you using Garp as the measure for moral conviction.
None of what you wrote is an actual argument against any of the parallel(s) existing.
Yeah stop the bullshit. On several occasions you stated that "smoker is luffys true rival". Not only is that not true but the story itself disagrees with you.
Secondly Smoker's defiance in alasbasta is exactly what he and tashigi is talking about in reference to fuji getting the government back as to what he was trying to fully address to them but failed in making the message as clear as fuji and coby.
Garp is automatically your measuring stick since he is the marine to date that rivals or measures up to rodger. By default smoker and coby if you believe them both to be luffys rivals have to have atleast something of merit that's comparable to luffy.
From a strength aspect none of them (coby neither smoker) has that compassion. However froma youth compassion, from a parallel and hype comparison, from a potential comparison coby has it. Like luffy he is of similar age, of similar notoriety being addressed by the entire new world as "hero" and has also been trained by a member of an old guard that was a rival to the pirate king the same way in which luffy was being trained by the right hand of the pirate king. That good sir are parallels and portrayal both of which smoker LACKS in comparison. So not only is smoker NOT this generations garp (coby was meant to surpass garp anyway lol) he is also not luffys current rival. It was not smoker that luffy said needed to be strong to face him in the new world it was coby. It was not smoker luffy said needed to be the rank of admiral to face him, it was coby. It was not smoker whom luffys respects enough as stated by oda in an sbs to remember by name and not nickname, it is coby. It is not smoker that has notoriety by the world in the new world, it is coby
Secondly Smoker's defiance in alasbasta is exactly what he and tashigi is talking about in reference to fuji getting the government back as to what he was trying to fully address to them but failed in making the message as clear as fuji and coby.
Garp is automatically your measuring stick since he is the marine to date that rivals or measures up to rodger. By default smoker and coby if you believe them both to be luffys rivals have to have atleast something of merit that's comparable to luffy.
From a strength aspect none of them (coby neither smoker) has that compassion. However froma youth compassion, from a parallel and hype comparison, from a potential comparison coby has it. Like luffy he is of similar age, of similar notoriety being addressed by the entire new world as "hero" and has also been trained by a member of an old guard that was a rival to the pirate king the same way in which luffy was being trained by the right hand of the pirate king. That good sir are parallels and portrayal both of which smoker LACKS in comparison. So not only is smoker NOT this generations garp (coby was meant to surpass garp anyway lol) he is also not luffys current rival. It was not smoker that luffy said needed to be strong to face him in the new world it was coby. It was not smoker luffy said needed to be the rank of admiral to face him, it was coby. It was not smoker whom luffys respects enough as stated by oda in an sbs to remember by name and not nickname, it is coby. It is not smoker that has notoriety by the world in the new world, it is coby
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