Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1067 Spoilers Discussion

[ShiShiShi]

It's Seth

You're wasting your breath here.

I wish it wasn’t true, but it is.

 

[SakazOuki]

No you are mixing 'experience' with 'memory'. You create data or memory based on intelligence or experience. You make a theory based on intelligence. Memory just stores your experiences and data.

You are saying decisions are enacted from information and experiences stored in the memory. Then how that information or experience occurred or created in the first place?

For example, you can memorize Newton's third law as 'for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.' Your memory will only store this information. But can your memory tell 'where/how/when/what this means or works or applies? no. Here, your memory will not tell you, it works only on a certain reference frame or anything or on what conditions it won't work. Your thinking or applicability comes. Then again you store the new information in your memory based on your 'experience' or 'research'.

You make theories based on what you think about what is stored in your memory. If you don't have intelligence, no amount of information that you store in your brain helps.

All Vegapunk had is instead of library of books, he has 1000TB harddrive in his brain.

What you’re saying is obvious, that’s why memory and intelligence are different concepts. However without memory there’s no intelligence.
If you have 1000 ingredients to make a buffet:
1000 ingredients are memory
The buffet is your end project
Cooking is intelligence
As a master cook if you have 1000 ingredients your buffet will be extraordinary, compared to another master cook with 10 ingredients
That doesn’t mean you’re a better cook.
I’m not a cook but this is the analogy I came up with lol

 

[Tobra]

Your intelligence is determined by how well you use the information you have in your memory, so they're interlinked by default. That, however, doesn't prevent them from being two different concepts. Luffy could store as much information as pre-DF Vegapunk in his brain, but he wouldn't be 1/10000000 as intelligent as him.

you’re getting something wrong tho

vegapunk read all of the anicent kingdom books the others didn’t and the way his fruit seems to be is that every information he ever read is easily reached so he can think more efficiently than others

 

[Monster Luffy]

Comparing him to the dumbest of characters doesn’t make sense tho. When you put him next to other MADS members especially Judge he’s not that special

No, the comparison is apt. Luffy's battle IQ is high, he learned haki and was able to mix his DF and haki, but can Judge do that? No right?

Judge cannot do what Luffy can do even though he has knowledge of haki. Same way Luffy can't create germa army or can't read poneglyphs even though you put relevant knowledge in his brain.

 

[SakazOuki]

No, the comparison is apt. Luffy's battle IQ is high, he learned haki and was able to mix his DF and haki, but can Judge do that? No right?

Judge cannot do what Luffy can do even though he has knowledge of haki. Same way Luffy can't create germa army or can't read poneglyphs even though you put relevant knowledge in his brain.

People have different disciplines in their life, I don’t compare Zidane’s football skills with a chemistry teacher lmao

 

[Kerkovian]

2 December

i can‘t survive another long break again

Only one week mate.

 

[ConquistadoR]

Vegapunk having books or having an a df that helps him store the stuff he reads (basically like a Memory Palace from Sherlock) does not take away from his intelligence also being that great.

 

[Cozy Sofa]

What the DF allowed him is being 2000 (not IQ points, it's an example, an overall made up number to judge his "smartness") while Caesar, Judge, Queen, etc were 100.
Without the DF he was already 200, at least.

Not that difficult to understand.

Too wide a difference. More like if 100 is max everyone above 90 is genius but some are more genius than the others.

VP 97
Judge 95
Queen 93
Ceasar 91
Smart people 80
Average people 70
Dumb people 60

What VPs fruit allows him is to store more info and then he might connect it to different fields. Doesn't affect his intelligence but the more you know the more you can apply the same principles.

Take Franky for example.

Franky is a great constructioner, he has evolved past shipwrights. He can build ships, cars, robots or bridges because he understands the basics of construction. But in the field of shipwrights he is more or less equal to Iceburg. Give Iceburg the blueprint and he can also build Pluton.

 

[Aryan]

Only one week mate.

1.5 inch is too long for him

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Comparing him to the dumbest of characters doesn’t make sense tho. When you put him next to other MADS members especially Judge he’s not that special

I did that to make people understand how intelligence is different from memory. Judge is hardly as intelligent as VP. Judge's inventions are hardly his own while you can't say the same about VP. He also has many inventions under his belt all the way from making objects eat DFs to creating an island that resembles the Ancient Kingdom all by himself.

Using additional information to better your research and using literal blueprints to make copies are two different things. The latter is what Judge did while the former is what VP was doing with the Ancient Kingdom's knowledge. It's interesting how you're the same guy who thinks Tobirama is on a whole different level of intelligence for being an inventor while you hardly give any credit to the likes of Minato and Orochimaru who took his research and even made improvements to the Jutsu he invented. When it comes to One Piece, you seem to have the exact opposite opinion.

you’re getting something wrong tho

vegapunk read all of the anicent kingdom books the others didn’t and the way his fruit seems to be is that every information he ever read is easily reached so he can think more efficiently than others

I don't think I was getting anything wrong. The spoilers made a clear distinction b/w his intelligence and storage capacity. If anything, this proves VP is so smart that his human memory capacity isn't enough to complement his intelligence. So he had to go ahead and expand his memory capacity.

 

[Monster Luffy]

What you’re saying is obvious, that’s why memory and intelligence are different concepts. However without memory there’s no intelligence.
If you have 1000 ingredients to make a buffet:
1000 ingredients are memory
The buffet is your end project
Cooking is intelligence
As a master cook if you have 1000 ingredients your buffet will be extraordinary, compared to another master cook with 10 ingredients
That doesn’t mean you’re a better cook.
I’m not a cook but this is the analogy I came up with lol

A master cook can utilize 1000 ingredients. Another cook, who is not in the same class as the earlier one, cannot even cook a buffet comparable to the earlier even with 10000 ingredients, especially if he doesn't know how to use those ingredients.

 

[Hellon]

Oh joy, more Oda birtherism this chapter lol.

Nobody in this ass tier manga ever became great because they worked hard or trained, everybody was simply born great and their status in the world today was simply decided by their birth lol.

Vegapunk can’t be a genius because he worked or studied hard, he was simply born a genius and ate the genius genius no mi lol. It’s times like this where I remember this is a manga written by a Japanese Neckbeard with zero social skills sitting in his basement thinking about the next pair of titties he’s going to draw lol.

Maximum seething right here, never knew how a story can just make you absolutely livid.

 

[Monster Luffy]

People have different disciplines in their life, I don’t compare Zidane’s football skills with a chemistry teacher lmao

Point is having tools won't make you a genius. A person becomes a genius when he knows how to become a genius. Okay, a simple example is, every fighter has knowledge of haki but not everyone can use it on the same level.

 

[Flower]

you’re getting something wrong tho

vegapunk read all of the anicent kingdom books the others didn’t and the way his fruit seems to be is that every information he ever read is easily reached so he can think more efficiently than others

His brain is essentially Google. He can just look up information he knows. The others only have their own records or brain to look up info. Vegapunk is the student who can use a computer for an exam while the others can only use their heads.

 

[ConquistadoR]

you’re getting something wrong tho

vegapunk read all of the anicent kingdom books the others didn’t and the way his fruit seems to be is that every information he ever read is easily reached so he can think more efficiently than others

He has access to more knowledge, does not mean his thinking capability is not as insane as it is.
If you compare it to Computers...
It's like Vegapunk has a 1 TB Storage while others have 8 GB Storage.
Intelligence is about the Processing Power though.

You give that data to any other scientist in the world and if they aren't as much of a genius as Vegapunk itself, they wouldn't innovate stuff to the extent Vegapunk did.

 

[Jailer]

This is how Caesar deluded himself believing Kaido's army looks anything close to that

 

[SakazOuki]

I did that to make people understand how intelligence is different from memory. Judge is hardly as intelligent as VP. Judge's inventions are hardly his own while you can't say the same about VP. He also has many inventions under his belt all the way from making objects eat DFs to creating an island that resembles the Ancient Kingdom all by himself.

Using additional information to better your research and using literal blueprints to make copies are two different things. The latter is what Judge did while the former is what VP was doing with the Ancient Kingdom's knowledge. It's interesting how you're the same guy who thinks Tobirama is on a whole different level of intelligence for being an inventor while you hardly give any credit to the likes of Minato and Orochimaru who took his research and even made improvements to the Jutsu he invented. When it comes to One Piece, you seem to have the exact opposite opinion.

Minato and Tobirama have nothing to do with this lol, I do acknowledge Minato is the better FTG user but doesn’t mean he beats him
Judge did continue on the lineage factor research, and on his own learned how to copy and augment life. Vegapunk‘s inventions are still shrouded by doubt from knowledge obtained from Ohara books, then you have the super memory df.
On the surface Vegapunk is the smarter person, but when you compare the baselines he was never that special.

He could’ve been more intelligent before these upgrades who knows, but it’s cheesy nevertheless

 

[Peppercat]

Do the providers mention anything why there is a stick in his head?

 

[Kerkovian]

1.5 inch is too long for him

मार डालोगे का?

 

[Tobra]

Vegapunk having books or having an a df that helps him store the stuff he reads (basically like a Memory Palace from Sherlock) does not take away from his intelligence also being that great.

tbh it does take away it doesn’t feel as authentic it didn’t last weak because he had helps from books so his inventions aren’t 100% original

and now that he has a devil fruit that helps him storage all that information it feels like base vegapunk wouldn’t be that much smarter than judge or the others