Break Week Sanji has what Zoro needed in Wano
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I agree with most of your points but between luffy finally going up against a yonko, all the backstory with momo and oden and the training the focus in wano wasn't on zoro there was just too much else going on. There were a few hints dropped about zoros ties to wano but I'm guessing that oda is saving the big reveals and focus on zoro for when he finally fights mihawk again and possibly for when we meet whoever helped shimotsuki kozaburo leave wano, I have suspicions that dragon was somehow involved, he may have helped them escape wano as refugees when kaido took over. I'm also expecting zoro to get another sword made by shimotsuki kozaburo to replace his kitetsu so that all 3 of his swords are made by the same person.
As far as the whole black blade thing, I'm guessing it just happens after he has spent enough time in battle infusing them with conquers haki the way he did when he cut kaido so it will eventually happen as he has more battles of that level.
As far as the whole black blade thing, I'm guessing it just happens after he has spent enough time in battle infusing them with conquers haki the way he did when he cut kaido so it will eventually happen as he has more battles of that level.
@Garp the Fist You summarized everything that bothers me about Sanji and the argument regarding Sanji being the best written Strawhat. There was no indication before Zou and WCI that Sanji hated monarchs and/or scientists. Oda could have introduced Sanji’s hatred for kings as early as Drum Island. He could have commented that all kings are selfish. Then in Alabasta, Sanji could have made an argument in support for Koza and the rebellion. Oda could’ve also had Sanji learn more about Cobra and say he’s surprised that a king would love his people more than himself.
Also why did Oda give Sanji science based powers when he already established that Franky and Usopp’s passion for engineering?
Also why did Oda give Sanji science based powers when he already established that Franky and Usopp’s passion for engineering?
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My main gripe with Sanji is for a character written to want to protect the crew, he is so uncompromising in his values he is willing to endanger those around him.
He has a crippling obsession with women and Oda tries to write it as a positive. For him it is more then a gag and has shown to be crippling to him.
Having a sad backstory and a shit family doesn't make him a better person or better written.
He has a crippling obsession with women and Oda tries to write it as a positive. For him it is more then a gag and has shown to be crippling to him.
Having a sad backstory and a shit family doesn't make him a better person or better written.
Zoro is a less complex character but that doesn't make him a worse written one. We know what drives him and what type of person he is. He is further characterized through his actions which tell alot about him.
Zoro swallowing his pride and bowing to Mihawk is what seperates the two the most for me. This is because it shows he values his ability to protect those around him over his pride and beliefs he has shown himself ready to die for.
Zoro swallowing his pride and bowing to Mihawk is what seperates the two the most for me. This is because it shows he values his ability to protect those around him over his pride and beliefs he has shown himself ready to die for.
With women he is willing to be a liability in critical situations to withhold those beliefs. Those are the beliefs he hold highest and he is completely uncompromising on them.
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Zoro by that point showed beating Mihawk was his literal everything which is what makes the moment so impactful. He realized he can't be so selfish if he wants to protect others because his life has value outside his dream and it is the crew.
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Zoro by that point showed beating Mihawk was his literal everything which is what makes the moment so impactful. He realized he can't be so selfish if he wants to protect others because his life has value outside his dream and it is the crew.
He is the 3rd strongest on the crew him doing nothing in battle like in Ennis Lobby and Onigashima is putting everyone under him in danger.
He just always has a female character who is strong enough to pick up his slack for him even though he is fully capable of ending the fight instantly.
Nothing happened is Zoro showing he is ready to sacrifice his dreams for others.
Sanji wanted to sacrifice himself too but by doing so he isn't acknowledging his biggest flaw and overcoming it.
He just always has a female character who is strong enough to pick up his slack for him even though he is fully capable of ending the fight instantly.
Nothing happened is Zoro showing he is ready to sacrifice his dreams for others.
Sanji wanted to sacrifice himself too but by doing so he isn't acknowledging his biggest flaw and overcoming it.
Sanji had faith in others. That’s a major part of his character? “You do what I can’t, and I’ll do what you can’t.”
Zoro is willing to die before giving up his dream. He’s not willing to live on without his dream. You’re saying Sanji should be able to live on and give up on his deepest held vows?
That just feels hypocritical.
Zoro is willing to die before giving up his dream. He’s not willing to live on without his dream. You’re saying Sanji should be able to live on and give up on his deepest held vows?
That just feels hypocritical.
No I'm saying Zoro is willing to sacrifice his dreams for others and put them above.
Sanji is willing to die for his vow towards women but he isn't protecting anything he is just hurting himself.
Sanji holds his vows to the same level Zoro does his dream. If it is a situation between his vow and for example rescuing robin he is willing to become a liability to the mission over the cause he is fighting for.
I'm not saying you shouldn't have values or beliefs but when they are genuinely crippling that is a problem.
Sanji is willing to die for his vow towards women but he isn't protecting anything he is just hurting himself.
Sanji holds his vows to the same level Zoro does his dream. If it is a situation between his vow and for example rescuing robin he is willing to become a liability to the mission over the cause he is fighting for.
I'm not saying you shouldn't have values or beliefs but when they are genuinely crippling that is a problem.
Yes Sanji is willing to die for his vows, my point is he will literally let himself die before it. He puts himself into compromising position cause of it and is only hurting himself.
There is a difference between letting yourself get killed and dying for your dreams and others.
Do you genuinely think that Zeff would rather see Sanji hurt then a stranger .
There is a difference between letting yourself get killed and dying for your dreams and others.
Do you genuinely think that Zeff would rather see Sanji hurt then a stranger .
There really isn’t, if you die defending something important to you it doesn’t matter if those are your dreams or your vows.
So again, do you think Zoro should live on and give up on his dreams? Cause that’s what you’re asking Sanji to do.
And yeah, Zeff wasn’t joking that he’d kill himself because that’s how he’d take responsibility for his “son.”
Like it was spelled outright in wci.
So again, do you think Zoro should live on and give up on his dreams? Cause that’s what you’re asking Sanji to do.
And yeah, Zeff wasn’t joking that he’d kill himself because that’s how he’d take responsibility for his “son.”
Like it was spelled outright in wci.