General & Others Act 3’s biggest problem is that the Alliance wasn't following any kind of plan

#1
In Dressrosa, it felt like each Strawhat had an essential role in the storyline. Law came up with a plan at the start of the arc. Said plan ended up going wrong due to factors out of their control (Fujitora and the Big Mom Pirates), but the crew was communicating and coordinating with one another and with Law, so instead of things descending into chaos, they formed new plans on a moment's notice and modified existing ones. As a result Franky, Robin, Usopp, and Zoro all ended up playing important roles in the arc's storyline. They were all performing specific tasks that would ensure their victory. Not only did this give each Strawhat more to do, but it made reading arc so much more engaging because you always knew where everyone was in relation to everyone else. No one felt underutilized


Same thing with Enies Lobby. There was a clear objective (Get the keys from CP9 and save Robin from the Bridge of Justice) that guided the crew's actions. You always understood what they were doing and why. Whenever it changed perspective to a character, you automatically knew what they were doing. It makes things easy to follow


In Onigashima though the crew had a plan at the start, but things quickly descended into chaos where each Strawhat was just blindly running around the castle until they stumbled upon a fight that lasted a few chapters and then they either fainted or just continued running around. The arc was just so exhausting to read because of this. It was so hard to keep track of where everyone was even with all of the maps they provided. Everyone was just running around and fighting random people so must of the crew didn't get to shine all that much. You could tell that Oda was trying to make the crew feel relevant with all of the crammed-in character moments, but IMO that made a lot of those moments come off as kinda forced. This is also why I think Usopp and Brook (And to a lesser extent Nami and Chopper) didn't get much to do. They're better suited for support, but there really was no opportunity for that because Act 3 was a bunch of chaotic fighting.
 
#2
In Dressrosa, it felt like each Strawhat had an essential role in the storyline. Law came up with a plan at the start of the arc. Said plan ended up going wrong due to factors out of their control (Fujitora and the Big Mom Pirates), but the crew was communicating and coordinating with one another and with Law, so instead of things descending into chaos, they formed new plans on a moment's notice and modified existing ones. As a result Franky, Robin, Usopp, and Zoro all ended up playing important roles in the arc's storyline. They were all performing specific tasks that would ensure their victory. Not only did this give each Strawhat more to do, but it made reading arc so much more engaging because you always knew where everyone was in relation to everyone else. No one felt underutilized


Same thing with Enies Lobby. There was a clear objective (Get the keys from CP9 and save Robin from the Bridge of Justice) that guided the crew's actions. You always understood what they were doing and why. Whenever it changed perspective to a character, you automatically knew what they were doing. It makes things easy to follow


In Onigashima though the crew had a plan at the start, but things quickly descended into chaos where each Strawhat was just blindly running around the castle until they stumbled upon a fight that lasted a few chapters and then they either fainted or just continued running around. The arc was just so exhausting to read because of this. It was so hard to keep track of where everyone was even with all of the maps they provided. Everyone was just running around and fighting random people so must of the crew didn't get to shine all that much. You could tell that Oda was trying to make the crew feel relevant with all of the crammed-in character moments, but IMO that made a lot of those moments come off as kinda forced. This is also why I think Usopp and Brook (And to a lesser extent Nami and Chopper) didn't get much to do. They're better suited for support, but there really was no opportunity for that because Act 3 was a bunch of chaotic fighting.
Lolda fucked up hard all over Wano, tbh.
 
#5
I agree
imo, except for Luffy and maybe Zoro, there's no actual development in the Act 3 for any of the straw hats characters, Oda just skip and rush and nerf their opponent, they didn't use a newly discovered potential strength that they could've get, in favor of Luffy and some irrelevant crap like Otama, Hanzo and revenge for Pedro bullshit
Sanji at least got exoskeleton upgrade but he didn't use it to beat up Queen, instead he just use the same old moves, the usual diable jambe which is disappointing
Oda refused to give more panels and rushed everything so that he can immediately shows off Luffy in which in the end, it was a huge ass punch that ends it all, just like usual after all he said beforehand
For me, that's a total letdown
WCI is already crap, Wano Arc 3 doubles it
 
#8
I agree
imo, except for Luffy and maybe Zoro, there's no actual development in the Act 3 for any of the straw hats characters, Oda just skip and rush and nerf their opponent, they didn't use a newly discovered potential strength that they could've get, in favor of Luffy and some irrelevant crap like Otama, Hanzo and revenge for Pedro bullshit
Sanji at least got exoskeleton upgrade but he didn't use it to beat up Queen, instead he just use the same old moves, the usual diable jambe which is disappointing
Oda refused to give more panels and rushed everything so that he can immediately shows off Luffy in which in the end, it was a huge ass punch that ends it all, just like usual after all he said beforehand
For me, that's a total letdown
WCI is already crap, Wano Arc 3 doubles it
WCI was great though
 
#12
Kinemon is retarded lol, he's definitely more brawn than he is brain

I agree
imo, except for Luffy and maybe Zoro, there's no actual development in the Act 3 for any of the straw hats characters, Oda just skip and rush and nerf their opponent, they didn't use a newly discovered potential strength that they could've get, in favor of Luffy and some irrelevant crap like Otama, Hanzo and revenge for Pedro bullshit
Sanji at least got exoskeleton upgrade but he didn't use it to beat up Queen, instead he just use the same old moves, the usual diable jambe which is disappointing
Oda refused to give more panels and rushed everything so that he can immediately shows off Luffy in which in the end, it was a huge ass punch that ends it all, just like usual after all he said beforehand
For me, that's a total letdown
WCI is already crap, Wano Arc 3 doubles it
I mean, to be fair, it isn't JUST a big punch. It's him applying his new levels of Haki to it and using his DF awakening to enlarge his fist even more. But there's problems with the various power ups Luffy got, mainly that it feels like he got some of them too easily. I can understand him awakening his fruit, that was bound to happen. After all he WAS practically mastering Gear Fourth and pushing his fruit to the max, it makes sense he eventually awakened it. And I can even understand his fruit being a super important one that actually has lore and importance to it, because there were at least signs to it beforehand and we just happened to ignore them until it was too late. I mean, think about it, Shanks and his crew clearly were inspired by Roger's crew somewhat because most if not all of them don't have Devil Fruits, they're just using raw Haki, Martial Arts, and physical stats. So why would they take some random Devil Fruit that only apparently gives you a Rubber physiology? Makes no sense. There was obviously a deeper meaning to it all. It's just a matter of when Oda came up with the idea of making it a plot twist.
So yeah, it's understandable that he awakened his fruit and it was actually a super important and powerful fruit all along. What's not understandable is that he unlocked Advanced Haoshoku so easily. I guess it isn't the biggest asspull in the world but the way he and Zoro just automatically achieved it was really strange honestly.
Also yeah, nobody gives a shit about Tama and the Minks. Come to think of it Carrot is a fucking terrible character, practically merch fuel. I mean, there's characters like Yamato who are also merch fuel that I've supported, but Yamato atleast has nuggets of character in there with a shit ton of strength even if she's not exactly Emperor level. Carrot, however, has NO Ws. She couldn't even defeat Perospero. That's right. The guy who made Pedro kamikaze and actually got weakened by Pedro's self destruct? Won a 1v2 with "some of the strongest Minks". Wasn't even a big problem for him. Honestly just sad. Carrot is arguably weaker than Nami and Usopp and that reminds me: Holy shit Nami and Usopp have had terrible character arcs in Wano. They got fucking mopped by Ulti and Page One, it was honestly quite sad. They could have atleast injured them or made them retreat somehow even if they were weaker than them, but instead they got clapped and clowned. I guess Nami not giving into Ulti's demands was cool, but it was nothing new or extraordinary.
Sorry for rambling, I just really hate some of the choices Oda made during the arc.
 
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Herrera95

#15
First of all that was not the real problem.

But I don't think not following a plan is exactly the problem what you are debating here. To me wad Oda being controversial of what he wanted and what he wrote.

Oda wanted a full all out war. But he initially wrote a silent invasion.

Alliance army was initially very small compared to Yonko alliance. Then the plan was sneak inside and aim for King's head. Kaido, Big Mom and Orochi.

The war could have been a lot better if Oda didn't had to wank Samurai for no reason. Everybody should have set up for the 3 captains face the Yonkos. If anything Samurai should have aimed Orochi since beginning.
 

TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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#20
Agreed. There were no objectives, no strategy, nothing. So all the lower fights had zero tension. Who cares if Sasaki isn’t defeated, there’s nothing on the line if he is Conscious for another ten minutes.
 
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