Future Events Wano Match-Ups

[Paperchampion23]

I think we can all agree that there is just plenty of villains to go around, with:

- 2 Yonko
- 3 Calamities (maaaaaybe 4 with the Ace)
- at least 6 "Monsters" in BMs crew present (Snack/Smoothie included)
- 5 Tobi Roppo (I'd say Drake is going to turn on them easily)
- 9 or so Numbers (if they are actual characters and not battle fodder or something)
- Mimiwarigumi/Onibawanshu
- Kanjuro

Literally everyone (8 Scabbards + Shinobu, 6 Supernova, 10 strawhats) should at least get something to display their powers properly in an arc that has been hyping a "conclusion" to the Yonko "saga".

Oda doesn't have an escuse this time :p


Edit: doesn't even include lesser BM siblings/Kaido Headliners that will serve as smaller fodder moments I'm sure.

 

[Garp the Fist]

Oda couldn’t design more obvious matchups for the SHs tbh

For the most part, yeah. Oda's got it in him to throw in a surprise or two- going back to EL, it was Blueno getting beaten early and Chopper then getting a super form and beating the strongest opponent outwith the M3. And I think most folk thought it would be Robin (or maybe Nami) vs Perona on TB.

So there's always the chance of a surprise swap in expected opponents, like Brook getting Page One, or one of the boys getting to fight Black Maria.

Imo if any SH has to reach Vet level in this arc, it’s Usopp. His dad is the YC3 of a Yonko who was stated to have higher quality crew members than the other Yonko, so Yasopp is likely YC2 level. Sure EoS Usopp doesn’t have to be stronger than his father, but that’s very unlikely in a Shonen manga. After Wano, Elbaf is probably the only major arc before Raftel, with maybe a Zou-sized Vegapunk arc thrown in somewhere. If Usopp is still weak compared to Vets by the end of Wano like many here believe, then how will Usopp surpass his father by the time he reaches Raftel? Is he gonna get 10 power ups in Elbaf? This is the problem with the hardcore OP fanbase. They get too obsessed with logical powerscaling and fail to see that some “illogical” power jumps are gonna happen for the sake of the story

Thing with Ussop is, as a sniper, he can get stronger without really fighting. Ussop could get some super amazing sniping feat that pushes him forward without getting anywhere near an opponent. Ussop needs to be a better sniper than Yassop, he doesn't need to be slugging it out in a fist fight.

 

[Yasuda]

Usopp v. Orochi. Embrace it. Usopp being "Susanoo" would be fucking hilarious

In the Kojiki, Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi and Susanoo came into existence when Izanagi bathed in a river to purify himself after visiting Yomi, the underworld, in a failed attempt to rescue his deceased wife, Izanami. Amaterasu was born when Izanagi washed his left eye, Tsukuyomi was born when he washed his right eye, and Susanoo was born when he washed his nose.

 

[Jo_Ndule]

Law and Kidd have disrupted the ideal "zoro & sanji gets the strongest after captains or shine thr most after Luffy in an arc"

The problem is KIDD & LUFFY shouldn't meet commanders before zoro/sanji does or else they would flex

 

[HA001]

Law and Kidd have disrupted the ideal "zoro & sanji gets the strongest after captains or shine thr most after Luffy in an arc"

The problem is KIDD & LUFFY shouldn't meet commanders before zoro/sanji does or else they would flex

How ? Law in ph got the strongest not the second strongest.

And in his own arc bar doffy he fought trebol who is weaker than pica.

 

[Garp the Fist]

I think we can all agree that there is just plenty of villains to go around, with:

- 2 Yonko
- 3 Calamities (maaaaaybe 4 with the Ace)
- at least 6 "Monsters" in BMs crew present (Snack/Smoothie included)
- 5 Tobi Roppo (I'd say Drake is going to turn on them easily)
- 9 or so Numbers (if they are actual characters and not battle fodder or something)
- Mimiwarigumi/Onibawanshu
- Kanjuro

Literally everyone (8 Scabbards + Shinobu, 6 Supernova, 10 strawhats) should at least get something to display their powers properly in an arc that has been hyping a "conclusion" to the Yonko "saga".

Oda doesn't have an escuse this time :p

I think the fights will be a FI/Dressrosa mix. One chapter devoted solely to the Scabbards getting a double spread of them finishing an opponent (Numbers, I'd guess), the Strawhats getting a chapter (at least) to themselves for their fight.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

And in his own arc bar doffy he fought trebol who is weaker than pica.

Yes, but Law beat vergo. Imo Vergo is stronger than Pica but even if you say he is below Pica, he would be 3rd strongest, which is usually the type of character that Sanji would defeat. Sanji lost to Vergo and didn't 1v1 anyone in dressrosa.

Similarly, if Oda let Law beat a a commander in the donquixote pirates, I see no reason why Kidd shouldn't beat a calamity. He's portrayed as one of the strongest supernova and yet he has been given no real fight. If his fight is kaido, then he will just be overshadowed by Luffy. And if his fight is Apoo, then it wouldn't really mean that much imo as 1) Apoo is portrayed as weaker than the tobi roppo and 2) we can already guess that Kidd is probably stronger than Apoo.

Hence I think it makes the most sense for Kidd to beat King. Especially since Kidd can engage king in an air battle whereas Zoro can't.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Law and Kidd have disrupted the ideal "zoro & sanji gets the strongest after captains or shine thr most after Luffy in an arc"

The problem is KIDD & LUFFY shouldn't meet commanders before zoro/sanji does or else they would flex

Yeah but there are also too many "commanders" to go around right now:

- King
- Queen
- Jack
- Smoothie
- Snack (one can assume, even though 2 supernova have allegedly beaten him, Urogue and Kid)

It's why I've been pitching the Supernova fighting BMs main children while Luffy and his top 3 go after Kaido's commanders (while his remaining crew takes in Tobi Roppo).

I think Kid vs. Smoothie would interesting to say the least, though I'm curious if Oda would let a brutal man like Kid fight Smoothie anyway. Hell, one can possibly guess an Ace exists (this is your theory too especially right?) That would mean yet another powerhouse for the alliance to deal with.

I've also been pitching everyone to have initial fights first. Luffy fought 3 Shichibukai, he can fight 2 Yonko commanders of varying strengths, such as the Ace, before getting dragged into huge battles with Kaido/Big Mom.

I sincerely think Luffy won't be able to handle Kaido alone, especially if Big Mom is also present. And because usually is warranted a major fight every arc, I can see him having his growth fight against another commander first.

 

[HA001]

Yes, but Law beat vergo. Imo Vergo is stronger than Pica but even if you say he is below Pica, he would be 3rd strongest, which is usually the type of character that Sanji would defeat. Sanji lost to Vergo and didn't 1v1 anyone in dressrosa.

Similarly, if Oda let Law beat a a commander in the donquixote pirates, I see no reason why Kidd shouldn't beat a calamity. He's portrayed as one of the strongest supernova and yet he has been given no real fight. If his fight is kaido, then he will just be overshadowed by Luffy. And if his fight is Apoo, then it wouldn't really mean that much imo as 1) Apoo is portrayed as weaker than the tobi roppo and 2) we can already guess that Kidd is probably stronger than Apoo.

Hence I think it makes the most sense for Kidd to beat King. Especially since Kidd can engage king in an air battle whereas Zoro can't.

Vergo wasnt in dressrosa. And vergo > pica is debatable

 

[TEACH D TEACH]

Add Smoothies sisters, Cinnamon and Citron. They had title boxes with Smoothie towards the end of WCI. Being a Sweet Commander's triplet sisters, I would expect them to be somewhat strong. Amande also has Quadruplet sisters but they weren't featured like Amande so probably fodder. Galette also has a twin sister but once again not formally introduced.

Are they all in Wano? I dont think i saw that many of her children on the ship. But either way, considering how Oda has treated female characters until now, we are gonna need some more on the alliances side to match up. Hancock and her sisters would be perfect to defeat Smoothie and hers, but sadly they arent here

 

[Paperchampion23]

I think the fights will be a FI/Dressrosa mix. One chapter devoted solely to the Scabbards getting a double spread of them finishing an opponent (Numbers, I'd guess), the Strawhats getting a chapter (at least) to themselves for their fight.

Totally agreed. Oda won't "Bleachify" this arc and give everyone 10 chapters to fight, but I can see 20-25 chapters just dedicated to finishing-off Tobi-Roppo, Numbers, and Big Mom commanders. Perhaps he does multiple per chapter too. It will be lengthy because theres so much to accomplish here for sure, BUT a true testiment to pacing will be HOW Oda sets up these fights.

He spent 20-30 chapters alone pretty much setting up and doing small skirmishes and finishing off the 10 or so Doflamingo pirates with 5 Strawhats, and like 7-8 future Grand Fleet members. They were heavily mixed in and had no set order. He then spent another 10-15 dealing with Doflamingo alone. Hell, Enies Lobby was 20 chapters of setup and 10-15 chapters of fights BEFORE Luffy vs. Lucci.

Now compare that to almost 30 named antagonists and protagonists in Wano, EACH side. It's absolutely crazy, and past actions with Oda has me believing that he'll spend the next 40 chapters doing small battles, skirmishes, fodder beatings and setting up the main battles, before spending another like 20 chapters just finishing off the nearly 30 "strong" antagonists on the Yonko side. And this doesn't even include the sheer brutality that will be taking down Kaido, let alone Big Mom if it happens

Shit is going to be nuts and I'm preparing for this arc to last another 2 years because of it.

Are they all in Wano? I dont think i saw that many of her children on the ship. But either way, considering how Oda has treated female characters until now, we are gonna need some more on the alliances side to match up. Hancock and her sisters would be perfect to defeat Smoothie and hers, but sadly they arent here

Oda introduced a lot of characters at the end of WCI (Cinnamon, Citron, Bavarois, Snack, a few other siblings like the decuplets) that barely did anything. Even though we don't see them on the few panels of them at Wano, I've been assuming they are there. This is Oda's last chance to show off most of the BMP before burying the crews plotline

We'll see in the next few chapters.

 

[Isaac Netero]

I really believe Luffy will fodderize this Kaido kid which will enrage him even more and we need some kind of measurement of Kidd's strength so he should be fighting smoothie

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Vergo wasnt in dressrosa. And vergo > pica is debatable

even if Vergo> Pica. Vergo was still a Donquixote pirate and he was easily one of Doffy's top 2 strongest with only Pica being possibly stronger.
If this was pre-skip, Sanji would have fought him. But since Law was involved, Law beat him instead.

Similarly, I think its very likely that something similar will happen to the calamities. Its pretty evident especially with Jack. The dukes will most likely have a rematch against him and win.

Also, we haven't seen the numbers yet. I could honestly see some of the numbers being on a similar level as the calamities.

 

[Paperchampion23]

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I really believe Luffy will fodderize this Kaido kid which will enrage him even more and we need some kind of measurement of Kidd's strength so he should be fighting smoothie

Personally I disagree that he will be fodder, but it will be a pretty quick and brutal fight before Luffy wins, indicating that he's stronger than Yonko commanders but not a Yonko level pirate himself yet. We'll see some new shit during the fight that will hype up his eventual fight with Kaido (+ some help because I doubt Luffy fights Kaido alone still)

 

[BOCCHI]

Jinbei vs Smoothie
Kid vs Queen( a fight or a clash that shows Kid on easily on YC lvl)
Luffy vs Jack (clash that shows Luffy vastly superior)

 

[Isaac Netero]

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Personally I disagree that he will be fodder, but it will be a pretty quick and brutal fight before Luffy wins, indicating that he's stronger than Yonko commanders but not a Yonko level pirate himself yet. We'll see some new shit during the fight that will hype up his eventual fight with Kaido (+ some help because I doubt Luffy fights Kaido alone still)

Yeah I definitely agree, I said fodderize but I mean something like the Blueno fight.
And yeah Luffy is gonna need tons of help in the fight against Kaido that's for sure!

 

[yj]

Kidd has more build up to fight apoo than kaido. it’s been in the works since sabaody. they're rivals

 

[Isaac Netero]

Luffy vs Jack (clash that shows Luffy vastly superior)

I could see Luffy vs Jack clash happening if Kaido son isn't that strong, he did say he would kick his ass during Zou didn't he?

 

[Tyki_Mikk]

We must first talk about one major thing, do the battle in Onigashima end in a overall victory for some side? Are the battle in Onigashima the last battle with the outcome is the end of Kaido?
In my opinion it is most like not, as @dirtyLarry said in the past, the war/battle must placed in Wano so the people their could see Kaidos end. The people in Wano must get the hell before they can gain the victory. Also we are still in Act3 and that means in the kabuki theater a bad hard defeat for the heroes and a dramatic story(lose for the heroes) which even open more the result of a lose in Onigashima, how Oda gonna handle it, we gonna see it most like later.

But my speculation is based on a lose in Onigashima so my though:
Luffy vs first Jack(he want to beat him up)or Kaido Son(if he is stronger then a YC1 lvl character, I can even see Kid and Luffy fighting together to take him out) and after Kaido vs Luffy
Zoro vs Who´s Who(beating a calamity potential lvl character)
Sanji vs Pageone/xDrake
Jinbei vs Sasaki
Mid and low trio Shp vs Headliners/
RS vs Queen and King

No way that the Mid-Low SHp gonna face characters who pose a lvl to became a calamity, at least not in a 1on1 fight, they need most like a RS as major help to face them.

 

[Starbound Beast D. Draig]

Luffy vs "Ace"/"Kaido Jr."/"Number 1"
Zoro vs King
Sanji vs Queen
Jinbe vs Jack

Brook vs Who's Who
Robin vs Black Maria
Nami vs Ulti
Chopper vs Page One
Franky vs Sasaki

(order is irrelevant)
Usopp vs Number "2"
Inu vs Number "3"
Neko vs Number "4"
Ashura vs Number "5"
Denjiro vs Number "6"
Kawamatsu vs Number "7"
Law vs Number "8"
Hawkins vs Number "9"
X Drake vs Number "10"

Kin'emon vs Kanjuro

Hyogoro vs Mimawarigumi "Leader"
Omasa vs Mimawarigumi "Mouse"
Tsunagoro vs Mimawarigumi "Kabuto"
Cho vs Mimawarigumi "Kunoichi"
Yatappe vs Mimawarigumi "Big Guy"

Raizo vs Fukurokuju
Shinobu vs Chome
Kikunojuro vs "Scroll Ninja"
Jibuemon vs Bishamon
Bepo vs Daikoku
Penguin vs Fujin
Shachi vs Raijin
Jean Bart vs Hanzo
Ikkaku vs Jigoku Benten
Uni vs "Straw Ninja"
Clione vs "Mask Ninja"

Kid vs Smoothie
Killer vs Snack
Carrot vs Perospero
Shishilian vs Daifuko
Wanda vs Compote

Kid Pirates / Heart Pirates / Mink "Officers" vs Headliners and BMP Officers
Minks vs Gifters and BMP Combatants
Samurai vs Pleausres/Waiters and Homies/Non-Homie Fodders

Final Fight:
Someone vs Orochi
Supernova vs Kaido & BM

(Appo is a Wild Card either he stays loyal to Kaido or betrayes him in the end)