Huh he never even saw kuma or vergo.
Meme he did less to meme than zoro did to kaido Heck in wci specifically he did less to meme than kiku did to kaido
Meme he did less to meme than zoro did to kaido Heck in wci specifically he did less to meme than kiku did to kaido
so your point was irrelevant
2. this is why I said you need to be specific , he clashed with Kuma in sabaody . Kuma came end of the thriller bark arc after the main battle, different circumstances here .
all 3 scenarios you pointed out didn't end up with a strawhat fighting any of these people for an extended period of time anyway so I fail to see your point. If luffy isn't incapacitated, that's who Kizaru is fighting.