Questions & Mysteries Did Green Bull steal the Black Blade from Rocks D Xebec

Did Green Bull stole Black Blade from Rocks D Xebec

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#1
I am not trying this to necessarily insult Green Bull but instead pointing out something that goes hand in hand with Green Bulls "Hard Boiled" Personality. He seems like someone who doesn't mind taking short cuts, like attacking injured people

He even got checked by Shanks for doing so, like "Dude why are you acting like such a dirty ass bastard and attacking injured people?"



So lets go with this premise here, Admiral Aramaki, which I don't necessarily agree with this image lol, don't get triggered @Fleet Admiral Lee Hung , I just copied this shit off of google, I am not calling Green Bull a bitch here. But Oda did present us with the notion that taking short cuts is one of the defining traits of Green Bull's personality, which is ironic because the guy he idolizes wouldn't do such a thing, he would object it like he objected when Sengoku wanted to stab Whitebeard.

Well the trait of taking short cuts, attacking injured and things of such sort goes against the representations of other confirmed Permanent Black Blade makers in One Piece. Well there is only two of them, thus conveying the prestige and rarity of the feat

Dracule Mihawk, the current Strongest Swordsman in the World, man who sits at the top of combat strength is essentially suffering from success and eternally disappointed that his formal rival who could give him thrill of the battle has lost an arm and isn't a fair challenge any more.


He desperately wants Zoro to reach the peak of combat strength and finally challenge him, something Shanks was once capable of doing.

It is bit of a contradiction that Green Bull never was on Mihawk's radar, no one considered Green Bull a candidate for the title of strongest swordsman despite making Black Blade.

The other man is a literal God, known from protecting his country against the entire World. The nobles who rule the world and their armies, every pirate who invade it. It in itself presents an irony, the Celestial Dragons who Green Bull sucks up to, praises got their asses handed to him by Ryuma.

Fighting Spirit here seems to be one of the foundational characteristics of a Black Blade maker, those who strive to defeat their opponents no matte who the opponent is and do so fairly. That is very poetic since Armament Haki is categorically characterized with Fighting Spirit and Armament Haki seems to be core property of making a black blade as well. Perhaps the idea of personality does play a factor here, but again isn't every Haki essentially associated with one trait of personality or another? I mean a conqueror needs to born with the spirit and desire to conqueror something right?? Naturally being focused and calculated is also a trait of personality and characteristic of Observation Haki and to the next level Future Sight.

This presents us with another dilemma, the natural masters of Armament Haki, like Silvers Rayleigh, man who has mastered all three types of Armament Hakis, described Armament Haki to not just the main character but essentially to the audience as well. He is the Haki teacher of the main character of the story, so the main Haki teacher of the story right?? That's funny because Mihawk is Haki teacher of the main Armament Haki specialist of the story


Well with Rayleigh comes an arguably even bigger Haki master in Rayleigh's captain, Gol D Roger the King of Pirates himself and even he didn't make a black blade.
I will put it bluntly, the "Advanced" version of Conqueror's Haki is also nothing without the mastery of Armament Haki, the flow of Haki, Ryou because it seems like combination of Conqueror's and Advanced Haki, the flow of Conqueror's Haki. The stronger Conqueror's Haki coater would be stronger Armament Haki coater. Unless CoC And CoA are like two different streams which again doesn't make much sense as in both the body part or the weapon from which the respective Hakies are emitted turn to Black Color, the color of Armament Haki.

So in this case Conqueror' Haki is also likely a requirement for Black Blade. Green Bull for all intents and purposes doesn't represent a conqueror.

So it is going against major troupes in the story for Green Bull to make a Black Blade. It challenges the consistency of the story, but what doesn't challenge is, this guy making the Black Blade


Fits the personality of fighting spirit, standing up to Celestial Dragons, represented among Haki masters who can Hurt Kaido, and someone who can easily have stronger Haki than Roger and Rayleigh.

And it goes hand in hand with Green Bull's personality of taking short cuts to have taken Rocks already created Black Blade after Rocks Death. I mean it doesn't hurt right??

Or I mean it could just be a random Green Colored sword and would be shown in colored scan

Or maybe and miraculously Green Bull did indeed forge the Black Blade on its own efforts against every aspect of the story. The said Black Blade goes unnoticed by Strogest Swordsman in the world, by Red Scabbards from the country specializing in Ryou, from Zoro himself who can sense random Blades from huge distancs. And perhaps Green Bull a guy whose combat mostly revolves around devil fruit use and plants has stronger Haki than Red Hair Shanks, Silvers Rayleigh,and Gol D Roger....Just maybe..I mean who knows?? Right?

Or Maybe also Black Blade does not mean shit. Zoro who has Neg diffed the most durable commander and permanently scar most durable character and scare the second most durable character out of her is still trying to make a Black Blade. Kozuki Oden who scarred the said most durable character even deeper, the character Green Bull did not want any smoke with mind you, and scarred him mentally as well did not forge a Black Blade either. And specically comment about Oden not being good enough to make Black Blade was made by Oden's own father and the one who did make a Black Blade is worshipped as a God in Oden's own country. Perhaps that Black Blade doesn't mean shit. I mean that's also possible..Or I guess Green Bull without even using his Devil Fruit can Scar Kaido even deeper than Zoro and Oden.

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#5
because the guy he idolizes wouldn't do such a thing, he would object it like he objected when Sengoku wanted to stab Whitebeard.
Hmm, when did Akainu oppose to this from Sengoku? I've never noticed this, if this had happened.


It is bit of a contradiction that Green Bull never was on Mihawk's radar, no one considered Green Bull a candidate for the title of strongest swordsman despite making Black Blade.
Since when did GB have black blade?
I think it's just some random colour lol


But yeah, if that indeed turns out to be a black blade, your theory becomes likely. Conqueror's haki and some specific way of the sword seems to be a requirement for black blade. Neither of which GB has IMO
 
#8
I think once you know the trick its really easy to do. Black blades are closer to a party trick than it is a fighting skill. When the Worlds strongest man and the pirate king didnt have black weapons thats the moment I knew it didnt matter.

Black blades are like Jordans. Its a fashion statement for swordsman, but real swordsman dont use them when they fight.
 
#11
How tho? King has no fire on him when Green Bull stabbed him.

Btw Lunara doesn't seem to make skin tougher..it only seems to regenerate. Zoro could stab Lunara King even without Haki and Oni Giri with basic Haki no CoC or Ryou made King lose a lot of blood.
Even flameless King tanked Zoro's ACoC. What Ryokugyu did with King is different from Dragon Damnation where Zoro simply damaged him with overwhelming haki. Aramaki literally penetrated his skin with a twig, like how strong is that haki.

His entire showings hint at overwhelming CoA, from piercing King, flameless or not, with a twig, to stating he was about to skewer a dragon and a potential black blade.

His fruit is literally fodder tier without top of the verse CoA, especially since he's likely not a CoC user.
 
#12
I think GB has a Black Blade. I don't even know why people are acting as though an admiral can't have a black blade. This guy is about as strong as any other admiral or Yonko. GB is by far one of the most efficient top tiers. I don't understand for the life of me why he's getting as much downplay as he's getting.


How is it downplay to say something Roger and Rayleigh weren't Skilled enough to do, a Logia Focused admiral not primarily a swordsman isn't competent enough to do either





Its straight nonsense that something Zoro and Oden training their whole lives did do, someone like Green Bull did it.
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Even flameless King tanked Zoro's ACoC. What Ryokugyu did with King is different from Dragon Damnation where Zoro simply damaged him with overwhelming haki. Aramaki literally penetrated his skin with a twig, like how strong is that haki.
Can you show me on panel Green Bull getting past Lunara decent.

Like show me panel of Green Bull actually damaging king while he has fire on his back.
 

Elder Lee Hung

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#13
But Oda did present us with the notion that taking short cuts is one of the defining traits of Green Bull's personality
I’m not opposed to the idea of Ryokugyu having taken his black blade from someone else even though I strongly disagree that he did, but the premise of your thread is just wrong lol.

If Ryokugyu was into taking shortcuts, why would he pick a fight with all of Wano and potentially the whole alliance if his goal was to kill Luffy alone?

Why wouldn’t he just have infiltrated Wano stealthily and killed Luffy that way instead of announcing his presence and picking a fight with the whole country?

Why not enter Wano under false pretenses in order to get close to Luffy and kill him that way? These “shortcuts” all seem far more optimal than literally picking a fight with 3 Yonko crews and the second strongest country in the world to just kill one man, lol.

So no, I disagree that Ryokugyu is all about shortcuts, I never got that impression from his character. Ryokugyu always struck me as a raging bull with no restraint or subtlety, someone who would sooner declare all out war than quietly assassinate one Pirate even if that was his ultimate goal lol.

So did Ryokugyu steal his “grasscutter” black blade which thematically fits perfectly with his Devil Fruit and nature theme? I’d say there’s about a 1% chance of this lol, but it’s at least possible.
 
#14
Dunno how my fellow Admiral bro's feel about this but i never truly believed or expected Ryokugyu to have a Black Blade. Narrative wise i really don't see how it is supposed to make sense when he's pretty clearly not going to be a Zoro oponnent in the future. He ain't even a swordsman.

However, question remains why it's drawn identically the same as Black Blades. It's definitely not an ordinary blade. I also wouldn't be against the idea that it's some really tough wooden blade or something like that.

And no, i hope it isn't a stolen Black Blade. Would be trash imo
 

HA001

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#15
Dunno how my fellow Admiral bro's feel about this but i never truly believed or expected Ryokugyu to have a Black Blade. Narrative wise i really don't see how it is supposed to make sense when he's pretty clearly not going to be a Zoro oponnent in the future. He ain't even a swordsman.

However, question remains why it's drawn identically the same as Black Blades. It's definitely not an ordinary blade. I also wouldn't be against the idea that it's some really tough wooden blade or something like that.
Looks really long to me probably uses it like another vine
 
#17
Can you show me on panel Green Bull getting past Lunara decent.
Like show me panel of Green Bull actually damaging king while he has fire on his back.
I told you even if its flameless, forcing a literal twig inside a body like that is still one hell of a CoA feat.
I think we can agree that flameless king is more durable than Kaido. But then again I don't see why King would suddenly shut his flames off

I'll say this, Ryokugyu has strong enough CoA to forge a black blade, if his sword isn't a black blade then he doesn't care about swordsmanship and just uses it casually as a means to duel swordsmen like Kizaru and King.
 
#18
I told you even if its flameless, forcing a twig inside a body like that is still one hell of a CoA feat.

I think we can agree that flameless king is more durable than Kaido. But then again I don't see why King would suddenly shut his flames off



I'll say this, Ryokugyu has strong enough CoA to forge a black blade, if his sword isn't a black blade then he doesn't care about swordsmanship and just uses it casually as a means to duel swordsmen like Kizaru and King.
Yes but funny thing is Zoro stabbed King without even using Haki and that stab was relatively deep.
 
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